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get a petrol one with lpg fitted..... +1 My Kangoo and Townace cost about 22p a mile for fuel (30mpg roughly) The V40 does 13p a mile (27mpg on gas). The factory fit system isn't even that good compared to more modern setups! Running costs of a diesel with the driving characteristics of a petrol:-)
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--------------------------- 89 Masterace Surf 03 Astra 03 V40 Sport 09 E90 M Sport
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Another vote for LPG here, one of the women at work lives in Scunthorpe & works in sheffield - 80 mile a day commute. She has had LPG's all the time ive known her - other bonus is free parking pass that you get, well that applies to sheffield anyway, not sure about other citys. Factory dual fuel Astra's seem to be cheap these days. I know not everyone can cycle to work but for anyone driving 2 or so miles to work I’d certainly consider it if I were you. Not while I have a parking space/can drive Seems pointless to me paying for a car to sit on the drive all week and not be used. I also live at nearly the highest part of Sheffield and work near town, getting in is ok but riding up hill all the way home in the rain at 10pm aint happening lol.
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Last Edit: May 9, 2013 8:20:28 GMT by joem83
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mikeymk
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In it's first year, the wife's MK4 Golf TDi (PD 100 ATD) has eaten a turbocharger and dual mass flywheel, the latter of which tore the clutch apart. Neither would have happened had she bought a petrol, as the petrol equivalent model doesn't have either a turbo or DMF..
I replaced both myself (including a new DMF because the crude hammer action of TD's is harsh on gearboxes with a single mass flywheel). But one caused a breakdown far away which gave me a really hard time, and the parts cost me the best part of £700 altogether.
It's horrible to drive, the torque also kills front tyres (i'm blaming the terribly narrow powerband for inconsistent stress on the tyres over our driving style, yeah..)
She wanted to buy the thing, so i let her. Point proven, her next car will be my choice - and it won't be a turbo diesel.
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In it's first year, the wife's MK4 Golf TDi (PD 100 ATD) has eaten a turbocharger and dual mass flywheel, the latter of which tore the clutch apart. Neither would have happened had she bought a petrol, as the petrol equivalent model doesn't have either a turbo or DMF.. .... her next car will be my choice - and it won't be a turbo diesel. I hate to be the bearer of bad news... and I doubt it's going to be liked very much on here either: but ... I don't rate most VW designs, especially on their derv lumps. Hate working on VW cars, as I know there's going to be *something* that will make my life hell, no matter what it is I'm doing
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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LowStandards
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The question really should be 'How long til a Diesel destroys my soul'
Parkers did some sort of testing - probably highly scientific and came up with these rough costs (I say rough as each car is different)
These are based on the purchase cost of your diesel over the petrol equivalent to breaking even
For example if the diesel costs £300 more than the petrol to buy then it will take 23000 miles before you start saving money.
£500 - 40k £1000 - 61k £1500 - 90k £2000 - 143k £2500 - £287k
That was just on fuel costs, not taking into account everything will break on your tractor engine and cost a millionetyleven pounds to replace.
My mate recently sold his 05 plate Impreza STI as it was costing him to much to do his 5 mile each way commute and bought an 06 golf TDI, its now costing him the same in fuel as it does stupid mpg till its warm and he's £1200 down on 4 new injectors and £600 down on a new DMF and clutch, all this whilst sounding like one of them concerts where someone bashes an oil drum for 4 hours...
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For example if the diesel costs £300 more than the petrol to buy then it will take 23000 miles before you start saving money. I'm not quite sure what figures they've worked that out using, but that doesn't sound quite right somehow. Taking my two cars that I mentioned earlier - a 306 HDi (does about 50mpg) and a 205 1.9 GTi (does about 35mpg) which work out at about 13p and 17p a mile in fuel respectively, a difference of 4p. 300 x 0.04 = 7500 Thus, recouping £300 at 4p per mile gives a 7500 mile break even point - somewhere between 6-9 months for an average driver I'd say. I'd say 50mpg and 35mpg for diesel and petrol are broadly realistic for typical 10-15 year old family sized hacks in my experience. I do agree with the potential for any fuel savings to be wiped out should borkage occur with the usual bits (injectors, high pressure pump, turbo, DMF etc) though
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1990 Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 // 1991 Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 16v // 1992 Peugeot 205 GTi 1.9 // 1999 Peugeot 306 Meridian HDi Estate
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bortaf
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May 10, 2013 12:00:11 GMT
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The question really should be 'How long til a Diesel destroys my soul' Parkers did some sort of testing - probably highly scientific and came up with these rough costs (I say rough as each car is different) These are based on the purchase cost of your diesel over the petrol equivalent to breaking even For example if the diesel costs £300 more than the petrol to buy then it will take 23000 miles before you start saving money. £500 - 40k £1000 - 61k £1500 - 90k £2000 - 143k £2500 - £287k That was just on fuel costs, not taking into account everything will break on your tractor engine and cost a millionetyleven pounds to replace. My mate recently sold his 05 plate Impreza STI as it was costing him to much to do his 5 mile each way commute and bought an 06 golf TDI, its now costing him the same in fuel as it does stupid mpg till its warm and he's £1200 down on 4 new injectors and £600 down on a new DMF and clutch, all this whilst sounding like one of them concerts where someone bashes an oil drum for 4 hours... sorry but that seem plums to me, some diesels are way way better on fuel than the petrol version, take a passat 1.8T petrol Vs a passat 1.9T diesel, it would take way less time to catch up, that equasion may work with a specific modle/make of car but not with all. As for VW? the earlyer 1.9 TD are great, the early 2.0 PDis have a fare few weak points but later ones are better (improved wiring looms and bosch injectors), VW simply make some of the best diesels out there, that's judged by the amount of repairs i DON'T have to do to them as customers cars, i would have to add pug/citroen diesels used to be great but have really gone downhill, especialy the units they developed with Ford ! if i have to change one more injector seal then spend effing hours bleeding the system with no lift pump fitted i might scream !!!
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LowStandards
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May 10, 2013 15:58:38 GMT
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May 10, 2013 18:12:10 GMT
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The question really should be 'How long til a Diesel destroys my soul' For my sould diesel is balm Looks like we all agree that VW UI or CR diesels are *curse word* ;D But take a old-school design prechamber diesel with a mechanical Bosch injection pump and it will go on forever on pretty much anything you throw in the fuel tank that's close to a liquid state!
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bortaf
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May 14, 2013 11:53:10 GMT
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The question really should be 'How long til a Diesel destroys my soul' For my sould diesel is balm Looks like we all agree that VW UI or CR diesels are *curse word* ;D But take a old-school design prechamber diesel with a mechanical Bosch injection pump and it will go on forever on pretty much anything you throw in the fuel tank that's close to a liquid state! Agreed on the older the better! i run my p100 on SVO and missfuel sucked from customers cars
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