tigran
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Tell me about welded Diffstigran
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I drove a sierra with a welded diff- couldnt drive it. I then drove a mk3 cavalier with a welded diff (!) - deffo couldnt drive it! I take it welded diffs only apply on RWD cars?? *tries to understand how a cav could have it's 'diff' welded.  |
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Welded diffs are only any good on a front wheel drive if you want to drive it on two wheels otherwise you will just go straight on.
As a daily driver a standard LSD is better than a welded diff.
However for 90% of the time a welded diff can be driven as a normal car, the main times when you notice it are slow speed manouvering when parking.
If you compare a welded diff against a viscous diff, or a quaiffe diff or even a standard plat ediff then there is a big difference in the handling with a lot more potential for going sideways when pushed or even understeer.
If you compare a welded diff against a modified plate diff then there is differences are much less. When I built the plate diff in my escort I built it up so tight that it almost behaves like a welded diff. But this was how I wanted it.
What are your plans Ian
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bstardchild
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Tell me about welded Diffsbstardchild
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Well looking back up the posts it's obviously an emotive subject ;D I have a very nice LSD in the back end of the Monza that works great on the road and for track days. I also have a nice "non LSD" diff spare So far the Monza has been used for - Commuting - Weekend Trips - Shows - Trackdays - Le Mans (Holidays) - Autotesting - Parts wagon Just fancied adding drifting to the list  Hence "tell me about Welded Diffs" |
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sam340
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Bstardchild.....
My advice to you would be to go check another forum such as Drift works or Trampdrift .... No offence but there are some comments being made on here that simply arent true...
Not wanting to get in some kind of argument but for what its worth I drive every day with a welded diff and honestly feel it is safe to do so!
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** Long Gone!! :-( ** 1989 Volvo 340 Drifter  |
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right do the folowing put both your arms out from your body, say 3/4 of there total stretch, about shoulder level, palms upwards, shake your head on a horozontal plain, any sigh.... that is what I m doing now... LMFAO at this post. What a wonderful picture in my mind! |
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Going back to the "heavy car" business, the only people I know really who've messed even with tight LSDs on the street have been driving yank muscle and even there I've been given quite negative feedback about even a tight locker on the street let alone a welded diff or purpose built spool. So I guess a lot of this is going to come down to what the car is like in the first place. heavy/light wheelbase, torque, power curve.
It doesn't costa lot to find out though does it. Weld it, drive it , see how it goes. (start gentle I guess) if it sucks, go back to an open diff.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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oh, and I am 99.9999999% certain that the Opel diff will not fit the Vauxhall Viva axle. Opels are metric spline, Vivas are Imperial.
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Nick
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welded diff isnt as good as an lsd for track days, its better than an open diff. ive driven more cars than i can remeber with welded diffs, ive been on track (not drifting ) with a welded diff,
i suggest all the people who are saying its dangerous and you will go straight on, actually try it. or learn to drive one of the two. just remeber you have a welded diff and its fine, you wouldnt drive a rwd car like a fwd car would you? so why would you drive a welded diff equipped car like one with an open diff...stupidity.
i think the hundreds of people using welded diffs daily without any dangerous side effects is testiment, to the fact that people who are saying its a stupid idea, are talking a right load of honk.
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Nathan
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Tell me about welded DiffsNathan
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I welded mine on the GT summer last year, was funny to start off with but it stuffed the tyres and would not corner at slow speed for sh*t.
I replaced it with a spare axle and diff.
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there will be tyre scuff I expect on the road, but if driftings your bag you don't care. RWNick made a great point, drive different with knowledge of your cars set up, which goes for big wheels with low profile rubber, stretched tyres, etc. What i'd like to know as a twist here, is would an LSD be any good for ametuer drifting/learning? my car is blessed with one but i'm happy its gonna be an all rounder, track, tour, shopping etc |
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Mike D
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Tell me about welded DiffsMike D
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What i'd like to know as a twist here, is would an LSD be any good for ametuer drifting/learning? my car is blessed with one but i'm happy its gonna be an all rounder, track, tour, shopping etc As another cruel twist, an lsd would be good for learning but unfortunately your MR2's mid engine layout is inherently bad for drifting!!   |
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Cheers Mike, thinking about the sierra V8.  Although I have a video link of a bloke drifting an MR2 somewhere, takes some serious skill I imagine!  wouldnt mind an lsd for it! |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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Tell me about welded DiffsRobinxr4i
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I am deffo gonna weld the diff on my next car, just so I can have an opinion. Lots of Tramp Drift users have welded diff and the consensus is that it's OK as long as you remember you've got a welded diff. Anyway found this on Driftwork thought it was funny.........  |
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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Cheers Mike, thinking about the sierra V8. Although I have a video link of a bloke drifting an MR2 somewhere, takes some serious skill I imagine! wouldnt mind an lsd for it! If thats a Sierra LSD then I`m afraid not, its a viscous coupling which are not great for drifting although I do know someone who has had his rebuilt with new fluid to have a more aggressive and positive locking action, which he says helps Ideally you want a plate type diff which is a positive locking diff under accelleration and or decelleration.... Now who is going to be the one to explain 1 way 1.5 way and 2 way LSD`s because I`m buggered if I can find a decent description of the differences anywhere   I have my thoughts as to what it is but want to know whether its just another Drifty thing (ie:Taking something thats been around for ages, giving it a new name and then charging loads of money for it Drift button anyone :  |
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1 way, locks on acceleration only
2 way, locks on acceleration and decelleration
1.5 way? Dunno, locks on acceleration and only locks half the time on decelleration just to keep you on your toes or something?
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Thanks CR500dom now i know, at least i'll be able to get some 11's down for now... |
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts |
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1 way, locks on acceleration only 2 way, locks on acceleration and decelleration 1.5 way? Dunno, locks on acceleration and only locks half the time on decelleration just to keep you on your toes or something? Yeah that what I thought then, its just changing the Ramp angles in a conventional Plated Diff 1.5 way must be where you have say 45deg on accel and 60deg on decell rather than the same on both that you would have on a 2 way. Makes it slower to react and not as aggressive in action on Decell So all of the people out there with 1 way diffs, are then being sold 2 way diffs at huge cost when they could go to there local Transmission specialist/Rally axle builder and get the ramps remachined for 50 quid rather than "Drift(Insert trade name of the week here)" who will pull there pants down ...... nice ;D |
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TBH its not an area I know a lot about. I usually run open diffs and "in my world" the naming of stuff is different anyway. Posi, Suregrip, Detroit Locker...
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Hence "tell me about Welded Diffs"
Although I have a video link of a bloke drifting an MR2 somewhere, takes some serious skill I imagine! 
wouldnt mind an lsd for it! 
