EmDee
Club Retro Rides Member
Committer of Autrocities.
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Jan 29, 2013 10:49:12 GMT
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TWO GRAND? Crikey, I just bought a car I've always wanted for £600 with 11 months MOT. Mind you it was a few hundred miles away! The thing is, as per the sentiments above the journey there is all part of the fun.
Still though, I've bought fancy coilovers, poly bushes, stainless exhaust, put a nice stereo in it and I'm still not at £2k! I'd hardly call that bangernomics, I thought I was being entirely opulent and silly!
To me, bangernomics is under £500
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I suppose at a push you could justify £1500 BUT ONLY IF you can run it on veg. Twin tanks the lot.
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mk14dr
Yorkshire and The Humber
Posts: 4,472
Club RR Member Number: 85
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Jan 29, 2013 11:04:40 GMT
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TWO GRAND? Crikey, I just bought a car I've always wanted for £600 with 11 months MOT. Mind you it was a few hundred miles away! The thing is, as per the sentiments above the journey there is all part of the fun. Still though, I've bought fancy coilovers, poly bushes, stainless exhaust, put a nice stereo in it and I'm still not at £2k! I'd hardly call that bangernomics, I thought I was being entirely opulent and silly! To me, bangernomics is under £500 OR I suppose at a push you could justify £1500 BUT ONLY IF you can run it on veg. Twin tanks the lot. Yeah, I could buy into that. A £500 car, with a grands worth of LPG or a few hundred on a really top notch VEG twintank system. But 2grand 'out of the box' is way beyond what I would call a banger. Maybe I really am just a typical tight Yorkshireman.
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Jan 29, 2013 11:07:44 GMT
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£2k is a "nice car" to me, a "banger" is about £500. This: Ford Puma 1.7 by retromotoring, on Flickr Cost me £150 plus an MOT (+£12 for some brake lines) and a cambelt back in June.
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squonk
Part of things
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Jan 29, 2013 11:10:24 GMT
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TWO GRAND? Crikey, I just bought a car I've always wanted for £600 with 11 months MOT. Mind you it was a few hundred miles away! The thing is, as per the sentiments above the journey there is all part of the fun. Still though, I've bought fancy coilovers, poly bushes, stainless exhaust, put a nice stereo in it and I'm still not at £2k! I'd hardly call that bangernomics, I thought I was being entirely opulent and silly! To me, bangernomics is under £500 OR I suppose at a push you could justify £1500 BUT ONLY IF you can run it on veg. Twin tanks the lot. Yeah, I could buy into that. A £500 car, with a grands worth of LPG or a few hundred on a really top notch VEG twintank system. But 2grand 'out of the box' is way beyond what I would call a banger. Maybe I really am just a typical tight Yorkshireman. A grand for LPG!!! Come on, we are talking Bangers here. Easily done on most older cars for £300 or less using secondhand bits.
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2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet 1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon 1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump) 1992 Toyota HiLux Surf 1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty) 1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty) 2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager 2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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JohnK
North East
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Jan 29, 2013 11:17:13 GMT
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mk14dr - Not going to get into a petty argument as its down to individuals perception I guess and there's no 'I'm right, you're wrong. You obviously have the time to do a 140 mile round trip for 2 part worn tyres, I don't (in fact I need to change the plugs on my 190, a ten minute job, that is having to wait until a week on Saturday as I'm literally that busy I won't get chance to get down to where its stored until then).
I'm not adverse to traveling for a car (I traveled from Middlesbrough to Poole, Dorset to pick up a crash damaged Merc because it was cheap, for what it was anyway - 6 months old with a heavy frontal impact but repairable) and leaving at 5am we encountered horrendous traffic, had to repair an electrical fault in SCS car park somewhere I've never even heard of because the towbar electrics just crapped themselves, had to argue for the car at the breakers yard because we got there after the 2pm cut off then eventually got back into the North East at just past 12 midnight) so I agree it can be fun. I've done Derby a couple of times (once for a Rover 600) and Blackburn for an Omega, again all a good laugh.
A few years ago I might have made that trip but my lifestyle doesn't allow much for that now with working between Middlesbrough-Leicester, my free time when I'm back home is usually spent with family and doing whatever. I'd travel for something interesting or a more expensive daily but a £400 Corsa I didn't think was worth a 2 hour trip (in the snow) with the potential of having to come back empty handed because it was a total wreck, when it was 7pm on a night and I needed a car on the road the following morning to get to work.
But I digress - my point was such cars were readily available in every town in the UK a few years back. Now it is getting harder to find them.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2013 11:18:39 GMT by JohnK
------------------------------------------- 1999 'V' Rover 620Ti 1999 'T' Mercedes E55 AMG 1997 'R' Ford Probe 24v 1994 'M' Nissan Maxima 3.0 1992 'J' Honda Prelude 2.0iS 1986 'C' BMW 728i Auto 1985 'C' Talbot Solara 1.6 Minx 1984 'A' Talbot Horizon LE Ultra 1.3 1978 'S' Ford Cortina 1.6 GL
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mk14dr
Yorkshire and The Humber
Posts: 4,472
Club RR Member Number: 85
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Jan 29, 2013 12:02:36 GMT
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But I digress - my point was such cars were readily available in every town in the UK a few years back. Now it is getting harder to find them. You're, ofcourse, correct, I do find myself at a loose end some days, and I forget that not everyone is blessed in such a way. Also, it sounds like you've had your fair share of japes and close shaves. Sometimes the journey is remembered when the car has long since been purged from memory. If we'd known, Matt and I would've come and fit your plugs for you A grand for LPG!!! Come on, we are talking Bangers here. Easily done on most older cars for £300 or less using secondhand bits. I'd spuff a grand on an LPG system for an S Class, 7series or LS Lexus if the occasion arose. Compressed gas is one of those things that I've never really liked the idea of scrimping on. However, if the point is to buy and run cheap as possible, a £400 Veg friendly dizzler is the way forward surely.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2013 12:51:15 GMT by mk14dr
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squonk
Part of things
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Jan 29, 2013 12:03:30 GMT
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As I type this there are currently 1,342 cars listed on ebay Buy It Now for up to £1000. This doesn't include the several thousand auctions that will finish below £1000 or the classified adverts. So on ebay alone there are probably 5000+ cars available for £1000 or less. Add on to that the thousands that are sold on the side of the road or are in local paper small adds and many other places, and I don't see that there is much of a shortage!! In fact with ebay, Gumtree and numerous other sites I would suspect that nowadays its easier than ever to find a usable banger.
Of course if you are looking for something very specific it may be a different story. But if you just want something as cheap transport and aren't too fussed about what you drive then I don't see a problem in getting hold of something.
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2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet 1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon 1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump) 1992 Toyota HiLux Surf 1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty) 1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty) 2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager 2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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Jan 29, 2013 12:42:16 GMT
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Good to see that its not just me that travels for part worn tyres. Last year I drove from Newcastle to Ulverston for a set of part worns of fiat rims, and made a day of it. Drove around the Lake District, had a walk around Keswick and Penrith, grabbed a bag of chips, and then trundled home with 4 good tyres, and a few good memories By the way, keep an eye on my under '£1000 with mot' thread as i am going to be posting a few retros on buy it now auctions.... retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ebayel&action=display&thread=124292&page=21
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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JohnK
North East
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Jan 29, 2013 13:02:08 GMT
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If we'd known, Matt and I would've come and fit your plugs for you . If I'd known your trip could have been made worthwhile as I've got a lot more jobs need doing than just a set of plugs ;D
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------------------------------------------- 1999 'V' Rover 620Ti 1999 'T' Mercedes E55 AMG 1997 'R' Ford Probe 24v 1994 'M' Nissan Maxima 3.0 1992 'J' Honda Prelude 2.0iS 1986 'C' BMW 728i Auto 1985 'C' Talbot Solara 1.6 Minx 1984 'A' Talbot Horizon LE Ultra 1.3 1978 'S' Ford Cortina 1.6 GL
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Jan 29, 2013 13:27:52 GMT
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It's all a matter of perception isn't it? I know for a fact that I consider a grand an expensive car just simply for the fact that the only cars I've ever owned that were worth more than that I was lucky enough to have bought for me. However I also know that someone like my Mum would consider a £2k car an old banger. However that doesn't mean you can't get cool cars for under a grand or under £500 for that matter.
I currently drive a two-seater sports car that I paid £900 for, I consider this Bangernomics purely for the fact that people who aren't in the know can't ever believe that I paid less for my car than they did for their ten year old Hatchback. If I hadn't been picky and not been looking for a really nice example I could have probably found one for under £500 and enjoyed soft top motoring for not much more than scrap money.
I think it's probably a similar situation for those of you driving around in your sub-£1k luxury saloons, most of the appeal is the fact that you're driving something a bit special that costs less than pretty much everything else in the street.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2013 13:32:57 GMT by WillCarter
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Jan 29, 2013 13:57:52 GMT
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I agree with the £2k cap as its all well and good buying an old shitter for £3-500 but what are the chances of it being a car you really enjoy.
My V8 Disco was £1500, MR2 Turbo was £1100 yet they still require a degree of bangernomics principles plus they are cars people actually want. And why must they be run in to the ground why not improved upon and sold on, hopefully even making a profit after you have had your fun?
Ideal example would be a Subaru Impreza WRX, buy one now sub £1500 sit on it and improve bits and bobs and when they become proper classics and the prices go up see the opportunity and sell on making money.
IMO that is better bangernomics as its making money instead of losing it.
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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Jan 29, 2013 14:05:52 GMT
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Thanks for the replies guys the point is we had to set a maximum level the £2k level is not written in stone but is a maximum that may be lowered but we just needed to set a level My Current "Banger" is a 92 Mercedes 190d i was looking at petrol versions sub £1k but when i got offered one with long MOT and a comprehensive service history i decided it was worth the £1200 i payed as OK it wasn't sub £1k but taking in the better consumption figures and the fact i can run it on Veg Oil its going to save me more money than the petrol one £200 less i viewed previously Please don't loose sight of what we are trying to do here,The Forum is to be revamped and yes we would love to see you join our forum and make it great especially if you own and run a car for under £2k £1k £500 or less Standard or Modified so long as you love your cheap cars and run cheap cars we would love you to join in Just a thought if somebody bought a new car back in the 70's for £2k and still owned that car and had serviced it themselves and kept costs to a minimum is that not Bangernomics? Anyway please feel free to join,the forum is down at present but will return Friday ;D Thanks Jodie
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Jan 29, 2013 14:11:11 GMT
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What you could do on the website is have different parts of the forums set up for different prices. So you could have an under £500 section, an under £1000 section, and an under £2000 section
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta 2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van 2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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squonk
Part of things
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Jan 29, 2013 14:21:01 GMT
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Just a thought if somebody bought a new car back in the 70's for £2k and still owned that car and had serviced it themselves and kept costs to a minimum is that not Bangernomics? Probably not as that would be equivalent to a car costing £35k today. It's unlikely that a person spending that much on a car would either need to service it themselves or even know how to service it themselves. On the other hand, a 1970 Escort would have been about £650. That would have been bought by someone who is both capable and wishing to do their own servicing.
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2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet 1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon 1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump) 1992 Toyota HiLux Surf 1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty) 1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty) 2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager 2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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Jan 29, 2013 14:48:29 GMT
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I'll certainly keep an eye on the forum, it's always interesting to what bargains people find if nothing else. I do agree with what someone said above though, in that a big part of running the type of cars we do is not actually running them into the ground like everybody else. Look at things like Mk1 Mondeos, now seen as pretty much worthless it's only a matter of time before they become rarer than the Sierras and Cortinas they replaced. So yeah, I think a massive part of this 'culture' is having love for the unloved and making sure there's still some around for future generations, however unappealing they are now.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2013 14:49:21 GMT by WillCarter
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Jan 29, 2013 15:21:54 GMT
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It's all a matter of perception isn't it? However I also know that someone like my Mum would consider a £2k car an old banger. However that doesn't mean you can't get cool cars for under a grand or under £500 for that matter. ^Very much this^ Whilst I also tend to buy my cars in the sub-£500 arena, to a lot of people, £2k really is banger territory. What you have to remember is that the people who generally frequent Retro Rides are also generally immersed in an environment where cheap cars are where it's at. I recently bought a near mint 24,000 mile Mazda 626 estate with 4 months tax and test for a fair whack less than £500. Someone who's thinking of ditching their 3yr old finance packaged modern and starting out in the world of 'bangernomics' would probably see £2k as cheap motoring. Even if most people on here don't. Oh, and Will, sub-£500 MX5's can also be really nice too. The green one I bought for £425 was one of the mintest I've ever seen (zero rust, zero dents, perfect mechanicals, near mint interior and passed the MOT first time with no advisories). Whilst I agree it's more likely to be a bit rusty at that price, there are some stunning examples out there for the money. I guess, like anything, (talking about bangernomics as a whole now) it all comes down to how much time you're willing to invest, the lengths your willing to go and the legwork you're willing to put into a car in order to save money. It's worked fairly well for me over the years and I'll continue to do so for as long as I can drive. I think putitng too much focus on the £2k ceiling is losing sight a little of the overall aim. It's not like you *have* to spend £2k, so pretty much everyone in this thread fits right in anyway....
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squonk
Part of things
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Jan 29, 2013 16:23:06 GMT
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It's all a matter of perception isn't it? However I also know that someone like my Mum would consider a £2k car an old banger. However that doesn't mean you can't get cool cars for under a grand or under £500 for that matter. ^Very much this^ Whilst I also tend to buy my cars in the sub-£500 arena, to a lot of people, £2k really is banger territory. Taking this argument to a person who would go out and buy an £80k new Range Rover they would regard a ten year old £12k Range Rover as an old banger. So a certain degree of common sense has to be applied. Take a stroll around any of the (I dislike saying this) lower end housing developments in just about any town and you'll be hard pushed to find any vehicle worth as much as £2k. For the majority of people £2k is a decent sum of money to pay for a car. Also bear in mind that even these days the majority of newer cars are still company owned. It's the bottom end of the market that falls into private hands.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2013 16:24:12 GMT by squonk
2004 Chevrolet Avalanche Z71 2005 Mercedes CLK320 Cabriolet 1996 Mercedes C180 Elegance Auto Saloon 1996 Rover 620Ti (Dead fuel pump) 1992 Toyota HiLux Surf 1987 Range Rover Vogue (Rusty) 1992 Range Rover Vogue SE (More Rusty) 2006 Chrysler Grand Voyager 2008 Corsa 1.4 Design
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Jan 29, 2013 17:21:13 GMT
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Oh, and Will, sub-£500 MX5's can also be really nice too. The green one I bought for £425 was one of the mintest I've ever seen (zero rust, zero dents, perfect mechanicals, near mint interior and passed the MOT first time with no advisories). Whilst I agree it's more likely to be a bit rusty at that price, there are some stunning examples out there for the money. I agree entirely. I still maintain that the MX5, especially ones at the sub-grand price range are some of the best bargains out there right now. When I was looking at them before I bought my current one I was looking at everything from £500-£1200 and was planning on looking at a very nice UK model at £600, even at the lower end there's some great examples to be had. It's just a case of what's out there when you're looking to buy, your green one was an absolute steal though.
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Jan 29, 2013 18:32:21 GMT
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Horses for courses isn't it ?
I drive an 03 plate 406 estate, cost me 2k to buy,, which to me is a small fortune, (redundancy paid for it) its the most i've ever paid for anything (apart from house) its also the youngest car i've ever had. To me its 'posh' ... however, to a couple of my neighbours, who have brand new cars (yes plural) every 2 yrs, its an 'old runaround' .....
Previous cars have been the 'couple of hundred', 'need a bit of tlc' type affair ..
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Jan 29, 2013 19:01:39 GMT
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I'll sign up. I'm not going to worry about what constitutes a banger too much. This cost £400 plus a train journey from Manchester to Sheffield and will be run until it dies. It will still get serviced and it might even get a wash now and then. This cost £2000 and came just below my kids in my affections, it was never a banger to me. This cost £2500 2.5 years ago. It's worth bog all now but I still don't think of it as a banger in the true sense.
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Last Edit: Jan 29, 2013 19:02:59 GMT by keithyboy
Jaguar S-Type 3.0 SE
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