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Nov 26, 2012 17:05:05 GMT
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C) the sheer implication of the unknown Totally agree, fear of the unknown is never to be underestimated, and we've all heard enough DVLA horror stories to put most people off doing the right thing when it comes to making custom builds legal. Perhaps fear of bureaucracy? mateys minor would have been easy to IVA, but as he said himself, if it has to be on a Q, its staying off road. Since knocking around here I've definitely stopped thinking of Q plates as anything to be afraid or ashamed of. Realisitically, I'll never tackle a build that would even come close to being BIVA's or Q plated or anything but I would now definitely buy something that was Q plated, where I would've been snobbish about it before. Still too many people associate them with TWOC'ed hot hatches from the 90s though. It's an education thing that the modding community are slowly making progress with but that the DVLA should be doing more more to support.
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mrx
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Nov 26, 2012 17:09:48 GMT
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Case and point mateys minor, he spent a lot of time and skill making it look like a 50's minor, making it look like something that would have come out of the factory in the 50's.......putting a q plate on it would have been like painting it bright pink, with jumbo jet sized fins on the rear.
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Rich G
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Nov 26, 2012 17:28:15 GMT
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Case and point mateys minor, he spent a lot of time and skill making it look like a 50's minor, making it look like something that would have come out of the factory in the 50's.......putting a q plate on it would have been like painting it bright pink, with jumbo jet sized fins on the rear. Doesn't necessarily have to end up on a Q-plate though! Depending on how it was built it could get an age related plate – see Kev Rooney’s (aceadvice on here) Model-A Pickup for example.
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mrx
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Nov 26, 2012 17:47:38 GMT
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Yes but if the car is blatently a 2003 floor pan, with some 1950's panels, basicly decorated, then the age relared plate surely has to be on the newest part, case and point mateys minor, where as a 1969 escort with modifications like tubs, arches and link kit, then that should be able to get a non transferable age related plate. ok you loose your free tax, whoopy doos, ÂŁ210 a year is a drop in the ocean, but again mateys minor, that would just be Q. and again he said it himself. so if you could tranfer off a Q, then a lot more people might just take the chance of biva
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stealthstylz
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Nov 26, 2012 18:57:18 GMT
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Yes but if the car is blatently a 2003 floor pan, with some 1950's panels, basicly decorated, then the age relared plate surely has to be on the newest part, case and point mateys minor, where as a 1969 escort with modifications like tubs, arches and link kit, then that should be able to get a non transferable age related plate. ok you loose your free tax, whoopy doos, ÂŁ210 a year is a drop in the ocean, but again mateys minor, that would just be Q. and again he said it himself. so if you could tranfer off a Q, then a lot more people might just take the chance of biva How it works: 1) You modify a previously registered vehicle, take it for a BIVA test, it goes on a Q plate. 2) You build a chassis FROM SCRATCH and bolt a hodge podge of bits to it, take it for IVA, it gets a Q. 3) You build a chassis FROM SCRATCH and bolt all the mechanical bits of a single donor car, take the car for a BIVA test, it gets the donor cars reg number.
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Nov 26, 2012 19:09:04 GMT
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As has been said elsewhere on these forums Q = Quality. It's an indication that you've built your car well and it's safe - I don't have a problem with that . . . BUT. . . unfortunately for a few of us half way through modifying a car that doesnt have either EC4A glass or glass of an accepted (temporary concession) BS Standard then we are totally stuffed
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Nov 26, 2012 19:11:00 GMT
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Yes but if the car is blatently a 2003 floor pan, with some 1950's panels, basicly decorated, then the age relared plate surely has to be on the newest part, case and point mateys minor, where as a 1969 escort with modifications like tubs, arches and link kit, then that should be able to get a non transferable age related plate. ok you loose your free tax, whoopy doos, ÂŁ210 a year is a drop in the ocean, but again mateys minor, that would just be Q. and again he said it himself. so if you could tranfer off a Q, then a lot more people might just take the chance of biva How it works: 1) You modify a previously registered vehicle, take it for a BIVA test, it goes on a Q plate. 2) You build a chassis FROM SCRATCH and bolt a hodge podge of bits to it, take it for IVA, it gets a Q. 3) You build a chassis FROM SCRATCH and bolt all the mechanical bits of a single donor car, take the car for a BIVA test, it gets the donor cars reg number. And if Q was really that much of an issue, you could carry that on further by building as per number 3, but include provision for future modifications within the '8 point rule' once it is registered. I would love to build a car and proudly display a "Q For Quality" plate but I doubt I'll ever have the time/skill to pull it off.
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...proper medallion man chest wig motoring.
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mrx
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Nov 26, 2012 19:25:50 GMT
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I brought up the glass question on that thread but it was deamed fit to lock the thread so no one could answer, so its doubtfull that anyone building would know thats an issue, but again, it only costs the fee and retest to find these things out....again this is the uncertanty principle.
I personally think on a forum such as this, a section should really be made to highlight and hence inform the people in the situation, to help them "friendly" address such issues.
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mrx
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Nov 26, 2012 21:54:29 GMT
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Maybe a modified/biva section, with a direct all your biva and regulations questions here description, might stop the fueds, and needs for locked or deleted threads.
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As has been said elsewhere on these forums Q = Quality. It's an indication that you've built your car well and it's safe - I don't have a problem with that . . . BUT. . . unfortunately for a few of us half way through modifying a car that doesnt have either EC4A glass or glass of an accepted (temporary concession) BS Standard then we are totally stuffed If it was me and I really really didn't want to give up on the car, i'd be making mods to the car so that it had the minimum amount of glass, ie paneled over rear and rear/side glass and modding the remaining openings to accept the glass from a car that did have compliant windows that were slightly smaller than stock, get the car tested then remove the mods and refit the original glass. Depends how much you want the car on the road, I think you'd be far less likely to get your collar felt in a Q plate car with the wrong glass in it than you would in a modified car with the wrong reg and no test pass.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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Nov 27, 2012 10:23:28 GMT
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Just wanted to answer about this from some other thread: I don't know what you precisely mean by the feces/fan interference but I can only see two cases: 1. In case of an accident, having everything legal and having informed your insurance about what your car really is can not be a bad thing. 2. In case the regulations become tougher to pass, if you have an already legal car you don't have to meet the new regulations. Which means the longer you wait, the harder it will be to meet those safety rules. I'd be well interested in that even though I'm never going to have any use of the information. I just find it fascinating that you're still able to register modified cars at all
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Nov 27, 2012 10:57:42 GMT
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what matt means is if you choose to ignore the rules and run on your old 'standard' logbook, if you do get called up on it and sent for the test, its a lot easier if your car is already built to the rules, cos you wont have to rebuid large areas of it to make it legal.
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mjd
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Nov 27, 2012 11:44:51 GMT
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Case and point mateys minor, he spent a lot of time and skill making it look like a 50's minor, making it look like something that would have come out of the factory in the 50's.......putting a q plate on it would have been like painting it bright pink, with jumbo jet sized fins on the rear. I respectfully disagree. It's just a numberplate. And while it looks like a Minor, it clearly isn't one and I can see no justification for it being registered as such. It's a great thing, built well and to me seeing it properly regged and on the road would be the icing on the cake
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mrx
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Nov 27, 2012 11:57:57 GMT
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Not my supposition, it was his, and I quote "If it has to be on a Q plate, its staying off the road", hell I couldnt care less if I was driving a Q plate, back in the day I had a Sierra Q plate, used to get pulled all the time, and I loved it.
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mrx
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Nov 27, 2012 12:03:42 GMT
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One time, they took the sierra off me, kept it for 8 weeks while they ran checks, I moved to scotland, then recieved a letter from sheppards bush police station saying I can come and get it, I argued the toss that they had no right to have it in the first place, and instructed a solicitor to act on my behalf to have it recovered to my home address at Aberdeen. took another 6 months of it being parked in their compound, but I couldnt have cared less, after all it was 3 sierras welded together and was a lump of legal scrap
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