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Oct 23, 2012 20:07:24 GMT
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everywhere i go I'm seeing more and more cars with banded steel wheels. its gone from being a silly vw fad and has now spread all about.
whats the appeal though ? i honestly don't get it.
they tend to look bloody awful (and thats before we even spot they usually have stupid stretched tyres on them - though thats a debate for another day) but worse still they affect a car adversely in so many different ways. handling ride acceleration braking all are affected and none in a good way.
soooooooooo can anyone please explain to me why this is now so popular , especially when you look closer all it actually has is negatives?
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RobinJI
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Oct 23, 2012 20:10:47 GMT
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Because people like them, and they can look bloody good in most peoples eyes. .... but worse still they affect a car adversely in so many different ways. handling ride acceleration braking all are affected and none in a good way.... Care to offer any explanation for these claims?
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PHUQ
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Oct 23, 2012 20:15:13 GMT
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I personally generally like them- I think it's because they look like they belong, original but different, in a way that aftermarket alloys never can. All depends what look you are going for really.
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Oct 23, 2012 20:18:41 GMT
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Because people like them, and they can look bloody good in most peoples eyes. .... but worse still they affect a car adversely in so many different ways. handling ride acceleration braking all are affected and none in a good way.... Care to offer any explanation for these claims? they arent claims - they're facts. banded steels increase unsprung weight. unspring weight adversely affects all the points i mentioned. a claim is something like this "Because people like them, and they can look bloody good in most peoples eyes." some peoples eyes yes, but most peoples - thats unlikely. end of the day steel wheels were bottom end of the range - designed to look curse word so that people either upgrade to something that looks good, or at least to fit wheeltrims
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Oct 23, 2012 20:19:38 GMT
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all it actually has is negatives? Your post has far more.
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Davenger
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Oct 23, 2012 20:24:11 GMT
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So what about normal wide steels? Such as Wellers I assume you believe the same to be true of those.
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Oct 23, 2012 20:24:39 GMT
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Christ on a bike. .
I like your car. but a TVR has nothing but downsides: You can't fit pianos in it, You can't park them in motorbike spaces They are no good for transporting whole football teams across the country They are uncomfortable to sleep in They have poor warranty coverage. They don't run on waste vegetable oil
Obviously these are all valid points, but you don't care about any of them because you want a fast cool car. People who run banded steels want wide wheels.
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Oct 23, 2012 20:25:54 GMT
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Because people like them, and they can look bloody good in most peoples eyes. Care to offer any explanation for these claims? they arent claims - they're facts. banded steels increase unsprung weight. unspring weight adversely affects all the points I mentioned. a claim is something like this "Because people like them, and they can look bloody good in most peoples eyes." some peoples eyes yes, but most peoples - thats unlikely. end of the day steel wheels were bottom end of the range - designed to look curse word so that people either upgrade to something that looks good, or at least to fit wheeltrims As opposed to swapping the steels for probably a heavier alloy alternative of the desired width?
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PHUQ
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Oct 23, 2012 20:26:01 GMT
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Dunno about having a detrimental effect on handling and braking either: wider wheels = more rubber on the road = more grip = a Marina that's just about capable of going round roundabouts without meandering off sideways into the exit before the one you were aiming for...
Just my experience mind.
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Last Edit: Oct 23, 2012 20:27:05 GMT by PHUQ
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lemon
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Oct 23, 2012 20:26:46 GMT
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Not really started by the VW scene, its been done for years, when people were replicating lotus cortinas, modifying their old escorts, capris etc etc, probably been done as early as the fourties/fifties I would imagine!
Each to their own, but I think they can look really good, in some cases I wouldn't have it any other way!
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More than it should be, but not as much as it could be
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Oct 23, 2012 20:26:54 GMT
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Personally, I think this looks great: Whether the majority of people think that, I don't know. And I don't care. And I know for a fact that the owner of this car doesn't care what most people think. It's a matter of personal taste. Your ride, your way. Also, it's far from a recent thing: This wheel was banded and fitted with a stretched tyre in the 70s: F1 tyres are stretched - I understand that it reduces sidewall flex somewhat: Finally, some people are more concerned about aethetics than saving the last few grammes of unsprung mass - nothing you mention will be affected to the point that the car becomes dangerous, so again it's a matter of taste.
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Last Edit: Oct 23, 2012 20:28:32 GMT by jrevillug
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Oct 23, 2012 20:27:00 GMT
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Best. Thread. EvAr.
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RobinJI
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Oct 23, 2012 20:29:59 GMT
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they arent claims - they're facts. banded steels increase unsprung weight. unspring weight adversely affects all the points I mentioned. a claim is something like this "Because people like them, and they can look bloody good in most peoples eyes." some peoples eyes yes, but most peoples - thats unlikely. end of the day steel wheels were bottom end of the range - designed to look curse word so that people either upgrade to something that looks good, or at least to fit wheeltrims No, my point was an opinion, your point is a claim. It could be a fact if you knew what wheels they were replacing with the banded steels, but you don't, so it's not a fact, because they could easily be lighter than the wheels they replaced. A lot of alloy wheels are actually very poorly designed and heavier than many steel wheels. As for increasing unsprung weight, yes, it will have a negative effect on the vehicles handling dynamics, however the potential for increased tyre contact patch due to the extra width of the wheel will in a lot of cases greatly outweigh any the disadvantage caused by the extra weight, especially in terms of braking, acceleration and cornering grip. I will admit they're unlikely to do anything to ride other than make it worse, but all the other effects you claim they have are easily outweighed by the benefits of the increased tyre size.
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Oct 23, 2012 20:34:51 GMT
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they tend to look bloody awful but worse still they affect a car adversely in so many different ways. handling ride acceleration braking all are affected and none in a good way. OMG!! Cooper got it so wrong. If only you'd been there to advise him!
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Clement
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Oct 23, 2012 20:38:17 GMT
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Actually it's an interesting thread, defending your opinions is not always a bad things. Personally I think they look gret. Hey, I've always liked a 205 Rallye (or a 106) on white steels than on alloys. Usually, dish looks good, so banded wheels equals more dish equals better looks. It's also good cheap way to fit wider tyres without caring about PCD and centre bore and the like. As for stretch, I don't mind it but I'd love to see small wide steel wheels with huge meaty balloony tyres on it. Oooh yes.
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bortaf
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Oct 23, 2012 20:41:31 GMT
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Personly i like the subtlety of mildly banded steels which is a low end motorsport thing not a VW fad. Wider tyres usually meens more grip so i am with you on the stretched tyres, not my thing at all but i can see why people like it. next handling ride acceleration braking all made better with wider tyres/more grip, you really should have either worded the post better or done research before going off on one especialy on here where negativity is akin to being hilters 2nd cousin
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Oct 23, 2012 20:51:10 GMT
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all it actually has is negatives? Your post has far more whereas yours simply has no content at all. my post however had FACTS
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Oct 23, 2012 20:56:17 GMT
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C'mon man, you've been here long enough to know how things work etc etc, it's clear you're just being argumentative for the sake of it. and for that reason, I'm out.
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Copey
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Oct 23, 2012 20:58:36 GMT
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I have had banded steels on my capri and my sierra, they haven't made any noticable difference to acceleration or stopping, they did however make a massive difference in handling...on both cars they were wider wheels, which allowed more grip and faster cornering speeds and a much improved feel as with both the Capri and the Sierra I went from 60 prifile tyres to 50 profile which made the ride feel firmer and more planted...certainly negatives there!!!
as said in the thread you posted your original 'expert' opinion in, they will probably make a noticable difference on a race/track car...but on a normal road car...no noticable difference at all
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Last Edit: Oct 23, 2012 20:59:48 GMT by Copey
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MK2VR6
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Oct 23, 2012 21:03:11 GMT
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its gone from being a silly vw fad they tend to look bloody awful Luckily this place is all about personal expression. You think they look bloody awful. I think they look bloody great and that's why my car has them fitted. Aesthetics and ergonomics are topics which could be debated until we're all old and in nursing homes. Personally, I love the fact I have the freedom, within reason, currently to do what the hell I want to my car. Hurrah!
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