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Sept 5, 2012 10:35:08 GMT
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Hi ..i'm a new member and any help or advise would be welcome I have a rare Granada Scorpio 2.9i V6 12V 94 L-reg ... just covered 56K ... stripped off the Plenum and throttle body ...rocker covers etc for painting, polishing and gaskets etc. Cold tick over is around 1200rpm goes down to about 1000 warm. Tested TCVS and TPS ...looked at vacuum pipes and all seem fine. Manuals say there are no manual adjustments that can be done. Any help would be welcome. Also its a twin air intake into the Plenum. Looking for induction pipes ..preferably Y pipe into 1 ''anybody know where i can get one or is it a fabrication job''? K&N etc and most companies don't list the 12V but cossie. I saw on Boost Performances page a Granada 12V Turbo pushing 500bhp and massive torque with one. Contacted them but they didn't supply ... Also fitting a custom made stainless exhaust from parts fabricated ... any other mods i can do on budget to increase torque / bhp etc cheers ....PS pics were before painting etc
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74 - Triumph 2000 tc....Triumph 2500 tc Ford Tina 2.3 Ghia .... Mk2 5speed Granny 2.8i Ghia X ... 2.0ltr Granada Scorpio / 2.9 V6 12V Granada Scorpio 94 ...ohh air conned Austin maxi
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Sept 5, 2012 11:50:21 GMT
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It will be very difficult getting more power from the 12v cheaper than fitting a 24v in its place, theres an instant extra 50bhp and it comes with much stronger internals. having said that there are more tuning parts around for the 12v than there are for the 24v but it will cost you a lot of money and you'll end up with a peaky engine in a car that wont suit it. A low pressure turbo and aftermarket engine management on an other wise stock 24v can see you running 300bhp without any problems. the sensible way to go would probably be to sell yours and buy a 24v, but if you don't want to then be prepared to get your wallet singed. www.burtonpower.com/tuning-guides/tuning-guide-pages/ford-taunus-cologne-v4-v6-tuning-guide.html
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Sept 5, 2012 20:41:34 GMT
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Took me a while to find a vid of Geoff Kershaw (he of Turbo Technics fame) twin turbo 24v Sierra.
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Sept 5, 2012 21:52:29 GMT
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It will be very difficult getting more power from the 12v ..... Erm, I guess you have you never seen any of the Scandinavian turbo 12 valves?! "2.9 V6 engine, Kent camshaft, Big turbo, Megasquirt fuel injection, the rest is stock. 406hp & 580nm at the wheels." And that was before they took it further on stock internals! "Made 535bhp at 21psi (1.45bar) of boost. Pistons, Rods, valves, headgaskets are stock parts. Probably worlds strongest 2.9 cologne with so many standards parts. "
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1979 Chrysler Horizon 1.3 GL 1980 Ford Granada 2.8 Ghia 1985 Ford Sierra 3dr 1985 Ford Escort Mk3 1988 Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 1989 Ford Escort 1.3 Popular 1995 Volvo 960 1996 BMW 525i 1998 BMW 323i 1999 BMW 530d 2003 BMW 530i . www.facebook.com/ABCARPIX
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Sept 5, 2012 22:04:32 GMT
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You missed off the second part of the sentence?
Power is easy if you have money.
The 12 valves have always taken to turbos nicely as Turbo Technics proved again and again, but the 24v is a better starting point than the 12v is, go ask Geoff who designed most of them. The 600bhp twin turbo 24v in his car was originally designed for "Minker 2" although it never got off the ground.
So as i said,
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Sept 5, 2012 22:47:24 GMT
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Thanks guys ... I've looked at many options. I was going to initially buy a 24V cossie BUT ... looked at all the downsides compared to a 12V Scorpio. Also have 3 friends with them and either they've been round the estate or just tired. I'm no boy racer but mine was pretty on par except torque on the ''motorway'' ...acceleration was almost even etc. Mine has nearly 57k from new and very rare interior etc. ... actually all who drive it say it doesn't feel like a 12V but 24V ....maybe just one of those cars?Actually on recently thought of doing a few mods etc. I'll look at the Turbo etc and have looked at Burton power etc. Not saying cossies are bad but so many probs I've seen. The 12V is like iron but can't even get after market induction kits etc. I know your right in saying there's little except engine rebuilds / turbo's etc ..... and thanks for the video :-) ... really appreciate your input . Yes MONEY is the main problem ... isn't it always ... thanks :-)
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74 - Triumph 2000 tc....Triumph 2500 tc Ford Tina 2.3 Ghia .... Mk2 5speed Granny 2.8i Ghia X ... 2.0ltr Granada Scorpio / 2.9 V6 12V Granada Scorpio 94 ...ohh air conned Austin maxi
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If yours accelerates as fast as your mates 24v engined cars they've got serious issues with their cars I have to say, the 24v should be over a second quicker to 60mph and about 15mph faster, with much better mid range acceleration. 24v is a tough old boot of an engine but many people ignore the timing chain tensioner and chain guide and it all falls apart. the engine I used in my Cortina was bad when stripped to be checked. retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=readersrides&action=display&thread=36179&page=2But, if you don't want to go that route then whacking a turbo on is probably the cheapest way to get more power, if you can do it for less than a grand though i'll be suprised.
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If you want 400+BHP a 12v seems to be the cheaper route, as a 24v will need internals at this level. Exactly why my I ditched my 24v in favour of a 12v in my Capri...
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1979 Chrysler Horizon 1.3 GL 1980 Ford Granada 2.8 Ghia 1985 Ford Sierra 3dr 1985 Ford Escort Mk3 1988 Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 1989 Ford Escort 1.3 Popular 1995 Volvo 960 1996 BMW 525i 1998 BMW 323i 1999 BMW 530d 2003 BMW 530i . www.facebook.com/ABCARPIX
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Which bits of the 12v are stronger than the 24v?
Far as I know Geoffs 24v was stock, running variable vane turbos and was making 530bhp, could be wrong though, i've been away from 24vs and sierras and stuff for a while now.
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Main thing is the compression ratio is better suited to boost. I bought a well priced Turbo technics 2.9 12v engine with ready ported heads and turbo manifolds. Either a custom single manifold or twins for a 24v was going to be pricey, Also everything's simpler, iron heads, one cam, no plastic guides etc.
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1979 Chrysler Horizon 1.3 GL 1980 Ford Granada 2.8 Ghia 1985 Ford Sierra 3dr 1985 Ford Escort Mk3 1988 Ford Sierra Sapphire Cosworth 1989 Ford Escort 1.3 Popular 1995 Volvo 960 1996 BMW 525i 1998 BMW 323i 1999 BMW 530d 2003 BMW 530i . www.facebook.com/ABCARPIX
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Sept 6, 2012 13:44:11 GMT
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Yes .. i knew the specs of the 24V when deciding on what to buy. I do think my mates were blasted around the estates and not looked after. I bought my 12V in 2003 and i know the 24V then was a lot dearer ....parts / and as you said the timing chains were ignored. I think they're about 3metres long if i'm right. Looked at 2 - 24V's and must of been tired. I read a lot about the 24V ..ok faster, more mid torque etc but at the time was put off by price and things I read ... mates ones too. I compromised with the 12V ..bought a really nice one but lost out of course on power. Its weird i used to see more 24V for sale and few 12V cars. Even now parts and mods are much more accessible for the 24V but more expensive all round. It really comes down to budget. Insurance companies are always telling me i have a 24V lol .. must have been more made than 12V ?? I'm going to call Turbo technics and see what they say. I do really appreciate your advice etc. As I said moding mine is a recent thing ''as you can tell '' and still learning a lot. If i found a good cossie at a decent price now i would most likely buy it knowing more over the last few years but i don't need masses of power just a decent improvement.I know as was said turbos take well and by the vids '' I never knew of '' can see too well now. Nice Capri! Bet he has as Tyre shop somewhere :-) I think keeping the 12V decision was made on the condition / mileage and rare interior / spec etc. Thanks guys .. new here and new to moding so appreciate all advice and comments etc. Maybe mid life crises lol ... cheers :-)
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74 - Triumph 2000 tc....Triumph 2500 tc Ford Tina 2.3 Ghia .... Mk2 5speed Granny 2.8i Ghia X ... 2.0ltr Granada Scorpio / 2.9 V6 12V Granada Scorpio 94 ...ohh air conned Austin maxi
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Sept 6, 2012 15:31:23 GMT
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Umm seems Turbo technics don't do Turbo kits for these cars and others anymore and haven't a while now. Put onto a guy in Portsmouth Alan Jeffery www.enginetuner.co.uk/about_us.htm Still around £4000+ ... anybody got the lottery no.s We'll see what other options but as always on budget not a lot ... :-)
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74 - Triumph 2000 tc....Triumph 2500 tc Ford Tina 2.3 Ghia .... Mk2 5speed Granny 2.8i Ghia X ... 2.0ltr Granada Scorpio / 2.9 V6 12V Granada Scorpio 94 ...ohh air conned Austin maxi
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Sept 6, 2012 15:47:41 GMT
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Ahhh £8K-14,000+ .... :-( ... if i can find a good cosworth 24V ... yes i know ''dooh'' lol
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74 - Triumph 2000 tc....Triumph 2500 tc Ford Tina 2.3 Ghia .... Mk2 5speed Granny 2.8i Ghia X ... 2.0ltr Granada Scorpio / 2.9 V6 12V Granada Scorpio 94 ...ohh air conned Austin maxi
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Be cheaper to swop in a more powerful engine than tune yours, it almost always is unfortunately, the main reason i bought my Volvo was it was the cheapest and easiest car to tune that was RWD and was cheap to buy that I could find.
I suspect in your case it will be cheaper to either swop in an engine that already has been turbocharged or look at a US V8 swop, plenty of room in the granny and staying auto isnt an issue I guess.
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Sept 7, 2012 19:47:47 GMT
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Hi ... yes i spoke to a few ppl and they said the same .... best to use a V8 ... seen 2 scorpios with V8's and very nice!! I have been offered a 24V cosworth 92 with full history and 100K ... seriously considering it. Thanks :-) .... ohh saw your post on stainless exhaust etc ... don't know if you saw my reply? I bought all i needed on eBay for £120 ... mid box with stubs ready to weld ... 2 x 1metre T304 2" x 1.5mm stainless tubing and a universal rear 3" silencer. Have a quote from a local guy of £80 to sort it ... ''EVERYWHERE'' you were advised wanted £600 - £900 to make me one up ie demontweeks, long life etc A company called Cybox and fastlane styling sorted mine. If you want a show car go tig weld but if your looking for performance normal welds are just as good. Cybox are a proper exhaust supplier ''Cybrand ltd'' ... 0151 666 5366 ... if your still looking just give them your box dimensions and either they'll have one ready made or make one ... mine with the 2 x 1m lengths come to £74 .., fastlane styling are on there selling lots of universal induction kits and rear stainless silencers. Apologies if your sorted. :-)
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74 - Triumph 2000 tc....Triumph 2500 tc Ford Tina 2.3 Ghia .... Mk2 5speed Granny 2.8i Ghia X ... 2.0ltr Granada Scorpio / 2.9 V6 12V Granada Scorpio 94 ...ohh air conned Austin maxi
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Sept 8, 2012 10:18:25 GMT
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The problem with turboing a 24v is the high compression, and expensive parts to lower it. There were also some other complications, making the 12v much better for turbo applications. For a 12v turbo you practically "just" need the engine management, and the usual turbo parts, and somebody who can tune it. This would probably be doable for about 2 grand if you're willing to get your hands dirty and own a welder.
But for a moderate power increase i'd just suggest throwin a stock 24v at it.
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Sept 8, 2012 15:59:50 GMT
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24v is strong enough to take a low pressure turbo on the stock compression ratio, thats what I meant when i said a stocker can run 300bhp with a turbo, which means no off boost loss of power and it shouldn't drink loads of petrol.
Everyone I know who has run 12v turbos has said they drink fuel like its going out of business even when just poodling round because lowering the compression drops the power and they only have 150bhp to start with.
I cant remember who it was I was talking to about it when I had mine, his was supercharged rather than turboed, but it was running 3 or 4 psi and made 298bhp on the dyno with just the supercharger and i think megasquirt, the engine hadnt been altered.
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Sept 9, 2012 16:06:39 GMT
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Cheers guys. Maybe I'll keep the 12V stock. Been offered 2 x 24V's ... ones looking defo nice. Good reading though ... learning!! 12V is prob too good with low miles to fart around with. Your right about the fuel though ... geez ... filled it up got back home and had to go back haha. One big downside i hear about the 12V all the time ''economy'' ... If I bought an Audi A8 4.2 quattro ''not a Retro i know'' but 03/04 cars do the same economy ... maybe better a little ...pure luxury barge... 330bhp and seen some great earlier moded ones. No rust and great for winter :-)
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74 - Triumph 2000 tc....Triumph 2500 tc Ford Tina 2.3 Ghia .... Mk2 5speed Granny 2.8i Ghia X ... 2.0ltr Granada Scorpio / 2.9 V6 12V Granada Scorpio 94 ...ohh air conned Austin maxi
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Apr 27, 2020 12:33:06 GMT
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Where can I get the megasquirt ECU?? And does anyone know If I can buy turbo manifolds for the engine? I'm building one at the moment
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