slater
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Nov 28, 2006 22:11:12 GMT
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I undarstand what yor saying seth but i object to all the posts along the lines of 'its suicide' cous thats just going to put the guy off trying it at all. Insted inform him of the way to solve the problem and where he might come unstuck.
That way we might end up with more decent cars and less people building generic styled motors cous 'thats all i could get that fits'
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Nov 28, 2006 22:31:14 GMT
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exactly! you're killing my 'favorit estate on huge slicks at the back steels at front roof rack up top' dream!
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Nov 28, 2006 22:59:32 GMT
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 Adapting a car or wheels so that the wheels can fit is great and fully in the R-R spirit if whoever is doing it has the skills to do it safely. I would object very strongly however if one of my children were run over by an out of control car because a wheel had dropped off due to incompetent modifying. I'm not saying SS is incompetent, but I would urge very strongly to only do this if you are very sure it's done right, or pay someone who can do it right to do it. Safety is far more important IMO than a set of flashy wheels however good they may look! No offence intended to anyone.
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Nov 28, 2006 23:23:37 GMT
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 cheeky clause in the middle there dave! be tentative on that line! i think despite looks and friendly cost i'll fold out, no point forcing them on |
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I undarstand what yor saying seth but I object to all the posts along the lines of 'its suicide' cous thats just going to put the guy off trying it at all. Insted inform him of the way to solve the problem and where he might come unstuck. That way we might end up with more decent cars and less people building generic styled motors cous 'thats all I could get that fits' Quite true. But this is a guy trying to apply 'chicken shed' engineering to the problem. Not everyone has a fully equipped machine shop to do it the 'right way'. From a quantified engineering perspective, yes. But if it's DIY home bodge job the it's gotta be no every time. |
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Last Edit: Nov 29, 2006 0:02:48 GMT by arthurbrown
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The way it was phrased made it seem like he wanted just to bolt up and go.
I've known people who've redrilled and studded hubs on their car to suit the wheels they wanted to run rather than mess with the wheels themselves... With some cars its probably better to take this approach if you have a wierd PCD and want to be able to get a wider selection of wheels. WHen I was into Vauxhalls I always thought it would be so much easier just to restud the damn things to 4.25" and use Ford wheels which were always cheap and common. Sadly the hubs don't always have enough meat in them to go out to 4.25" - thats the other question...
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Mike D
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Its totaly possible and can be perfectly safe if you do it properly. This is another subject where people like to preach about how 'unsafe' it is without having a clue what they are talking about I'm afrade. You cant just go bolting them on but with a little bit of thought or modification its not too hard to get them on there. If they use taperd seats use wobble nuts or get them re-drilled. don't under any circumstances try to stretch it with normal nuts! If they use sleeve nuts then the holes might need elongating slightly depending on the clerance they have allowed between bolt and hole. That's all very well and good, but when the thread is posted up titled: Topic: can I squeeze 4x 101.4's onto a 4x100 hub?  Then i'd err on the side of caution and say it's a bad idea. If the thread had been started asking "what can i do to fit 4" to 4x100 hubs then i'd have given a different reply. Mike |
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Nov 29, 2006 14:21:10 GMT
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Indeed, I too have killed studs doing this (100mm on a 4" PCD car) Yeah, I had a similar problem once. ;D Wheel pinged off at 30 and took the wing wth it. Did lots of damage not just the wing.  |
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tigran
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Nov 29, 2006 15:15:34 GMT
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101.4? That's so scarily close to 4inch pcd it's unreal. What are the wheels off and where can i find more?
*begins hoarding viva rimZ*
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Nov 29, 2006 15:24:04 GMT
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A friend of mine runs a large wheel and tyre outlet, they have been using bendy bolts for years for fitting 4x100 wheels to cars with 4x98 hubs and havent had a single problem, in fact they don't buy in any 4x98's anymore. I have a set of nuts at home that he gave me but I havent tried them yet, has anybody here actualy heard of a set of properly specified bendy bolts failing? Trying squeeze the wheels onto studs is a different matter altogether......  |
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Nov 29, 2006 15:37:35 GMT
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 Wobble bolt: the bolts are solid like any other wheel bolt, the tapered part has some movement in it which allows the re-alignment and the o-ring is just there to stop the tapered part falling off when the bolts are off the car. As the bolt is done up the tapered parts align themselves into the tapered inserts in the wheels and the bolt goes in straight, simple and safe..... |
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Nov 29, 2006 15:48:30 GMT
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I've never used wobble bolts, but I have put 4x100 on 4" before:  I haven't goy any pictures of the back one coming off...but it did, I didn't know why at the time. Don't get put of making some well thought out adaptation, but don't just slap 'em on either. |
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Nov 29, 2006 16:15:20 GMT
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If you're going to the bother of swapping studs for bolts you may as well tap the hubs for the correct PCD, surely?
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slater
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Nov 29, 2006 17:27:11 GMT
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You can get wobble nuts too
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Nov 29, 2006 19:19:22 GMT
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I have some wobble nuts spare..... |
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Nov 29, 2006 20:53:06 GMT
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i'm sorry to kick up a fuss but i resent the 'chicken shed' quote. i don't, and never have, never will, try and do anything dangerous or drive something with a defect. everything i put onto a car is engineered right, to the point of MOTs running up because I don't feel the work is yet complete or roadworthy... and i have been thoroughly put off the idea now. 101.4 is 4" exactly BTW  |
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Nov 30, 2006 13:11:04 GMT
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You can get wobble nuts too Every day's a school day. Surprizingskoda - yeah 101.4 is 4" thats the thing. He was asking about running 4" (101.4mm) on 100mm. Wasn't he? If he's asking if a 101.4mm PCD will work on a 4" then the arguement is a little moot! |
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Mr K
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Nov 30, 2006 13:31:30 GMT
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101.4 is 4" exactly BTW 101.6mm is actually 4" exactly BTW 101.4mm is 3.99516" I think tigran was refering to the fact the .2mm is not much at all, and is a abit of a random stud patern - and I'm pretty certain its not real! |
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Nov 30, 2006 13:48:18 GMT
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;)Weather's not bad today...meant to rain later though apparantly!  |
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Nov 30, 2006 14:23:15 GMT
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i'm sorry to kick up a fuss but I resent the 'chicken shed' quote. I don't, and never have, never will, try and do anything dangerous or drive something with a defect. everything I put onto a car is engineered right, to the point of MOTs running up because I don't feel the work is yet complete or roadworthy... I don't think Pog meant to be offensive, I think he was just taking things to an extreme to illustrate his point. My mate has 4x100 PCD rims on his Victor. That's always concerned me, but he doesn't seem that worried. I don't know how he's gone about fitting them though... I'll have to quiz him in the pub later... |
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Adapting a car or wheels so that the wheels can fit is great and fully in the R-R spirit if whoever is doing it has the skills to do it safely. I would object very strongly however if one of my children were run over by an out of control car because a wheel had dropped off due to incompetent modifying. I'm not saying SS is incompetent, but I would urge very strongly to only do this if you are very sure it's done right, or pay someone who can do it right to do it. Safety is far more important IMO than a set of flashy wheels however good they may look!
cheeky clause in the middle there dave! be tentative on that line!
