lae
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Jul 23, 2012 12:27:50 GMT
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Took it to a friendly garage next to where I work and they couldn't find the source of the (very minor) suspension noise, and gave the suspension and steering a proper going over. It needed the tracking done, but other than that, all they found was the beginning of some brake pipe corrosion and a slightly balding tyre - I had a good look when it was up on the ramps and, barring a few little spots, found no rust at all - certainly nothing structural. A good coat of waxoyl and it'll be perfect. Happy with that.
Now to sort out the dodgy glowplugs once and for all!
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Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jul 26, 2012 22:51:14 GMT
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Sadly the 200D is right at number 1 on my list of cars to have,check out "Mobile.De"here tinyurl.com/ca66dyyIt's the german autotrader click the union jack for english and save searches and individual cars.Always loads of w123 models of all types and budgets.I didn't realise the 200D actually sold here, I have an english brochure and price list from '81 and the 200d isn't listed,good luck .
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lae
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Well, I thought I had sorted the glowplugs a week ago (it was starting on the button, so to speak), but perhaps not. After 1,200 miles (yep, I do a lot of miles) of trouble-free motoring (since the awful breakdown when I bought it) it has, this morning, decided not to start. It turned over and immediately caught on two cylinders, but prolonged cranking of the engine did not result in the other two firing, and eventually flatted the battery (which is now charging up again, I hope it's not dead). This is quite annoying...
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Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Heater plugs must have been working last week as these engines absolutely will not start without heat no matter how healthy they are
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lae
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Yeah they were working fine since a bit of fettling last Monday. The preglow light came on as normal this morning, time to get the multimeter out again...
I did fit a stereo yesterday, on a permanent live. The battery seemed fine when it started cranking this morning, though. When I get it running again, I'll disconnect the stereo and see what happens - it seems like a coincidence.
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2012 10:01:29 GMT by lae
Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jul 30, 2012 10:01:47 GMT
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what kind of mpg have you been getting? good luck fixing the lastest issue
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ChasR
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Jul 30, 2012 10:10:20 GMT
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Best of luck fixing your glowplug issue. Fingers are crossed for something simple. I know it can be a palava buying a botched car, but it should be worth it once you are on top of it .
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lae
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Jul 30, 2012 10:41:41 GMT
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Clubbymatt - I haven't done any calculations but I would say about 40mpg for mixed driving. ChasR - yeah hopefully it'll be an easy fix... it shouldn't be too complicated since there's nothing complicated about it!
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lae
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Jul 30, 2012 12:54:54 GMT
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Okay so. Took all the wiring off of the glow plugs, and noticed the middle one was discoloured (the one which I previously tested as having high resistance), as if from heat... Cleaned everything up and put on the lower wires: Then the upper wires: Pulled the starter button and the light came on - peeking from the driver's seat I saw a wisp of smoke coming from the engine, and hopped out to have a look. The middle glow plug wire was glowing red hot! Not good. It must be meeting some serious resistance somewhere - but where? Unfortunately I don't have a handsome assistant to pull the starter button whilst I check with a multimeter (I could make a direct live feed from the battery though). Are these the right plugs for the car? They appear to be pencil-type ones, wired in parallel. Previously it had loop-type ones wired in series (as far as I can remember). Is this a problem, or an unintentional upgrade?
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lae
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Jul 30, 2012 19:29:03 GMT
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After a bit of research, and thinking about it logically, I discovered that the garage have made a right balls-up of the wiring. For loop-type plugs to work, the live should go into one terminal, down the plug, through the loop (consequently heating it up), back out the plug and into the other terminal (which is wired to the next plug, and so on). With the wiring as it stood, in parallel, the current would take the path of least resistance and not go down the plugs at all! The glowing wiring is apparently normal for these engines - the fact that the first and middle wires were glowing must've been merely because of a poor connection, forcing the current into the plugs and heating them. So it was only ever starting on the first two plugs, hence the poor starting when cold (until the weather warmed up). So, I re-wired it in series as it should've been, but still they didn't come on. I checked the input for the first plug and it showed 26 volts, but the output showed nothing. I suppose this means the plug has fried itself, hence it not starting. I'll replace the plugs tomorrow and re-wire it properly, and it should be fine. I'm also unsure as to how to approach the garage about this. They've clearly made a mistake but I'm unwilling to let them work on it again (I spoke to them about the earlier poor cold-start issue after their work, but they fobbed me off and then the weather picked up so it started fine). Wondering how I held the starter in the glow position whilst simultaneously going round the plugs with a multimeter? No, not a glamorous assistant, but a rather un-glamorous pair of old fanbelts: Like a boss.
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Last Edit: Jul 30, 2012 19:35:44 GMT by lae
Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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Jul 30, 2012 19:41:46 GMT
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Lovin the fanbelt bodge.
Ive had many garage experiences like yours, which is why I run retros and diy them myself.
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lae
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Yep, I only did it because I was short on time - I had to get the car driveable before I moved house! In hindsight, I'd rather have paid a transporter to move it and worked on it myself. Finding a mechanic that takes old cars seriously seems to be difficult.
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Dez
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Jul 31, 2012 10:06:10 GMT
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i think youre right, I'm fairly certain the glowplugs on my dizzle one were wired in series, cos when it was refusing to start one winter and i was skint i just replaced the first plug+ link wire and it was good as new. it does sounds to be a cockup by the garage, they simply didnt know what they were looking at- too used to working on modern diesels were they're wired in parallel.
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lae
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Jul 31, 2012 12:28:29 GMT
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Yup. I measured voltage on the input and output of the first plug - input had voltage (voltmeter showing 26 volts from a 12v battery, not sure how...), output didn't show anything - I guess this plug is goosed! So I bypassed it and wired the remaining three plugs in series...
Pulled the starter and the glowplug light came on, for a good 20 seconds, rather than 2-3 seconds like it did before. Checked voltage at the three good plugs - good... then tentatively pulled the button to the next notch and it started up straight away!
I've ordered a new set of proper Bosch glowplugs and I'll be visiting the garage tomorrow and asking for a refund on the labour and a replacement first glow plug. Pretty disappointed, especially as I've already been back there once to ask why it was taking 10 seconds of cranking to start.
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No need to bump the thread, but I took it back to the garage this morning. The mechanic did initially try to fob me off and blame the poor starting on something else, but as soon as I opened my mouth I think he realised that I knew more about the wiring than he did. Refund on the labour + replacement for the blown plug = happy with that.
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Last Edit: Aug 1, 2012 12:00:51 GMT by lae
Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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lae
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Aug 20, 2012 20:01:33 GMT
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Currently: Mk1 Focus blandmobile
Formerly: 1969 MG Midget 1972 Avenger GT 1981 Datsun Cherry 1989 Corolla 1979 Mercedes W123 200D 1995 Ford Falcon 1996 Ford Telstar (bet you had to google that one)
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