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Jan 30, 2019 15:02:11 GMT
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I have just finished trawling through the whole thread from start to finish; very interesting and congratulations on your attention to detail, skill, and knowledge. The section where you were sorting out the look of the wings, and in particular the rear ones, immediately I saw the finished result I thought of the Coombs Mk2 Jaguars. Just shows my age with that reference. Carry on the good work.
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jonomisfit
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Jan 30, 2019 20:59:47 GMT
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Thanks for the input guys.
So, based on feedback it needs:
A more subtle transition into the front wing Slightly narrower that the body to wing spacing A slight taper front to back Potentially a variety of curvature along its length Make it thinner.
I'll give it some thought before I get chance to work on it again.
I likely have flexibility on everything except the thickness. I need that in order to house an exhaust under it. Thinning it would then mean the exhaust is visible and I'd rather its hidden.
I'll not lie, the prospect of making a compound curvature rolled edge does trouble me somewhat.
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Jan 30, 2019 23:48:34 GMT
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I'm sure it'll be something you can add to your skill set without too much trouble!
What is the end goal for how the car looks? I'm sort of picturing a semi tough rod style.. I just had a thought in regards to the exhaust, I'm going to see if I can dodge it up on my phone..
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Last Edit: Jan 31, 2019 1:42:49 GMT by varelse
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tristanh
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The other thing Jono... You're the artisan who's gonna be doing it, looking at it, and most importantly driving it, so if you like it, ignore us motley crew.
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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Jan 31, 2019 12:54:14 GMT
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I love this build so far, cheers me up when it reappears on the page
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v8ian
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Jan 31, 2019 14:16:06 GMT
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Handbrake, I'm guessing you want a drift style handbrake, if not, another alternative is to fit it right hand side of the drivers seat, much like a lot of Hillmans and my A35,
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Atmo V8 Power . No slicks , No gas + No bits missing . Doing it in style. Austin A35van, very different------- but still doing it in style, going to be a funmoble
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jonomisfit
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Jan 31, 2019 17:44:42 GMT
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Don't worry I'm wonderfully pig headed and if I don't agree with what's being said I'll ignore it. I'm good like that.
My aim for the car is for a bit vintage car meets race car look. Whilst it looks ratty at the moment I'd like it to look reasonably clean and unfussy on the outside and hard-core rally / race car inside.
I've been half toying with an umbrella style handbrake under the dash for the cable one. The main one will be a rally style vertical hydraulic.
Right hand side would be a challenge to get your hand down but I could possibly mount it inside the lower triangle of the cross brace.
I have been considering how to make a curve. I have thought of a way but will need to buy tube to do it.... and steel stock... and possibly a multi session sidetrak into making a device... well see.
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jonomisfit
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I got an hour on the car today so was playing about with some more side step profiling. I footered round trying to taper the side step in at the rear a bit. P1020056 by jono_misfit, on Flickr I brought it in about 50mm, but kept the front end where it was. P1020057 by jono_misfit, on Flickr I quite like the look it gives. I messed about with putting a radius on the front but it just didnt look right to me. I think the fairly sharp transition is needed, plus it'll have a trim strip on the front edge so it wont look blended. I then cut a lot of holes as.... well... you know.... flat metal panels are dull P1020058 by jono_misfit, on Flickr And i wanted to see what it looked like P1020059 by jono_misfit, on Flickr I think i need to space the hole a bit more, and do something at the front end where it tapers out. Something will be needed though as the side with the exhaust under it will act like a radiator if it hasnt got a decent amount of air flowing through it. P1020060 by jono_misfit, on Flickr Then, following on from the comment earlier about the extension strips may be skewing the visuals a bit i very quickly threw on some black to even it up. P1020061 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020062 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020063 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020064 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020065 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020066 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020067 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020068 by jono_misfit, on Flickr I might throw some more black on it to even it up when I put it on the floor, give a better impression of what it looks like in single colour rather than the current patch look. I think its got some potential. I think the thickness of the side step is in keeping with the look. I want to drop it down onto the floor rather than on the skates so I can see better.
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vulgalour
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That's made a huge difference. It now looks like an original panel you've modified a bit, rather than something scratch built to fill a hole, if that make sense. The taper helps visually lighten the whole panel so it's not so slabby looking, and the swage holes - slightly wider spaced, as you mentioned - really help lighten the whole thing visually and blend it into the rest of the car.
The other nice thing the taper has done, along with the splosh of black paint, is to make the wings look like they should be that wide rather than they have to be that wide, which balances out the rest of the car quite well.
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Last Edit: Feb 2, 2019 14:40:45 GMT by vulgalour
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Looks really good, the taper to the rear works very well.
I've seen a few builds where people have come up with a fake but possible back story for the car, I can't find it at the moment, but there was a blue muscle car on Lambo miura wheels that had a really convincing fake history that explained all of the modifications. Could this be a barn find experimental Le mans car from the 40s? maybe some D type style wheels and spinners, old aston martin green with roundels
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glenanderson
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I agree with Angl.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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jonomisfit
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So, decided to throw some more black paint around and see if it helped me understand the look a bit more. Dropped the car down onto the floor as well so it is at the right ride height. P1020069 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020071 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020072 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020073 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020074 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020075 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020076 by jono_misfit, on Flickr and a door open shot P1020077 by jono_misfit, on Flickr P1020078 by jono_misfit, on Flickr I think the sills match the look. I just need to decide what i'm doing with the holes for the actual sills. I quite like the overall look its heading towards.... which is just as well considering how many freaking years have gone into it so far..... Next, back to the handbrake. handbrake needs to go about here P1020090 by jono_misfit, on Flickr I then messed about look for where the master cylinder can go and be out of the way P1020091 by jono_misfit, on Flickr Time to make a mock up, and once I have that i can make the proper one. made a mock up mount point P1020092 by jono_misfit, on Flickr and a second tab so its in double shear P1020093 by jono_misfit, on Flickr mock lever and pivot P1020094 by jono_misfit, on Flickr tacked the mount in P1020095 by jono_misfit, on Flickr handbrake sits about here P1020096 by jono_misfit, on Flickr adjustable stop so I can better set the position P1020097 by jono_misfit, on Flickr nicely to hand for me P1020098 by jono_misfit, on Flickr and pull back without interfering with anything P1020099 by jono_misfit, on Flickr tack some more bits of scrap together to make a master cylinder mount P1020100 by jono_misfit, on Flickr and thats a far as I got today I thought I'd take some pics of me in the passenger seat, but with the seat of foot position, the handbrake falls into the gap next to your raised knee's so nicely out of the way. Just needs a guide round the top so you don't rest your leg on it. It looks pretty messy so far, but once i'm happy with where it fits etc. I'll take it all back out and make it properly. It'll also get reduced in material to only having whats needed, be beefed up where it needs it, and i'm sure i'll find somewhere to get some swaged holes in on it.
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npp
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looks good! how do you actually get in though?
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jonomisfit
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The steering wheel is on a quick release hub.
Wheel off and slide in the gap. Many cage based hand holds available.
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tristanh
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Any danger of your knee / leg getting a clout of it if you have a sideways impact Jon?
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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jonomisfit
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Yes, along with shoulders and hips and the whole car is very tight round the occupants.
In terms of leg against handbrake there's a chance of it, but the leg guide can have padding on it.
Hotrod are like 7 Esq kit cars. There's not much survival space available. Best not to crash I feel.
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Lucky you spent so much time on the jungle gym as a kid, eh? Sideboards look a lot better now that it's all the same colour. Personally, I'm a little unsure of the swaged holes (sacrilege!), but it sort of nods towards the amount of holes on the inside as well. How is the handbrake going to be for the passenger? I'm guessing there's zero room in the trans tunnel to take some real estate out of..
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jonomisfit
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It's not too bad for them. I'll take pic next time in out there. Due to the seat position it ends up in the void under your legs.
The tunnel doesn't have enough space in it in the right place to mount the handbrake. If it could have gone 500mm back there would be space. If I did that now it wouldn't be in a position that could be used.
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vulgalour
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Black paint helps a lot, it picks out one of the reasons for the running board to wing transition looking odd was the primer highlighting the different shape of the door opening in a weird way. It now looks pretty much spot on and when you build the new panels, it should look like you never did anything.
I don't envy you the interior, it looks very purposeful in there, not much space for squishy velour comfort!
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jonomisfit
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It'll have some strategic bits of neoprene foam to provide all the comfort.....
I suspect it will not be a long distance cruiser. I can foresee it also being very noisy and probably quite hot as well.
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