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Sunday, BBC4, 9pm.... Group B content, should make compelling viewing!! www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b01fcncc If you miss it tonight, it's repeated three more times...details in the linky
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80's rally porn! selected
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Sinky
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Hey,just noticed that. Nice one mate!
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just turned over and found this
excellent [mr burns]
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Brian Damaged
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Thank the Lord for the joys of Sky+. Thankyou for the heads-up, look forward to watching it later.
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Had to turn it over; seen it all before, too painful to watch again.
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blueracer
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Mr Fab's spot on - the best and sadly worst time of rallying......
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I've seen things.. you people would not believe...
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If you build your house in the middle of a road, and a car drives into it, is it the drivers fault?
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"No............I think I'll stick with the Maxi"
Arther Daley
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The biggest problem was the crowd control. Really enjoyed watching it, I was obsessed with the Quattro rally cars as a kid. All they had to do was put a 600hp cap, better crowd controls
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MrSpeedy
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Watched this last night. Most enjoyable! IMHO, it wasn't the cars that was the problem, it was the crowds. You only have to look were the accidents happened. Always on a crowded stage on the continent, not in the welsh forests Sooner or later, they were gonna properly hurt someone anyways, regardless of what they were driving I was about 12 when the Group B 'Madness' started and I remembered some of those crashes, but not all. At that age, I was more taken by the cars. Brought back some good and some not so good memories. Well worth a watch
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Last Edit: Apr 2, 2012 12:06:34 GMT by MrSpeedy
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I just watched this (iPlayer). Group B is something I know of, and I knew the cars, but I didn't really know the story behind it - very interesting.
Its sad that so many lost their lives to the sport (wasn't someone killed test driving the Ford RS200 too?) but I also think it is sad that rallying will never again see the same mix of action, competition and excitement.
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What struck me was the fact that the drivers in a way didn't think they should have been banned, a number of the drivers they interviewed still say it was the best time of their lives and gave the impression that they were fully aware of the risks every time they buckled up. Another thing was the two Portuguese spectators they interviewed, while one was bitter and said it was all down to the cars and the drivers the other said that it was their own fault, they shouldn't have been on the road, it was dangerous and again they knew the risk.
I personally think the best way to think about it is imagine you're driving a car you know better than yourself, on a road you've lost count of how many times you've driven down and at half the speeds they were doing and then factor in people pretty much blocking your way, how would you cope?
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mauricewalsh
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What struck me was the fact that the drivers in a way didn't think they should have been banned, a number of the drivers they interviewed still say it was the best time of their lives and gave the impression that they were fully aware of the risks every time they buckled up. Another thing was the two Portuguese spectators they interviewed, while one was bitter and said it was all down to the cars and the drivers the other said that it was their own fault, they shouldn't have been on the road, it was dangerous and again they knew the risk. well put....... back in the day I remember watching it on tv agast at the people on the stages try'n to touch the cars as thet went past !!!! crowd control was the big factor in irish rally'n even back then and a rally would have been stoped if crowds " invaded " the stage like that!!! the police that promised crowd control IMHO were the biggest problem.. also the sweepers/double 0 cars/stage marshals/team helicopters should have had a bigger say in the safety aspect of the whole thing as they do today and have done in irish and might I add uk rally'n for years.. the cars and drivers were not at fault !!! the spectators themselves and the crowd control people including the police were the problem!!!
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be a survivor not a victim
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Jowey
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I think it was Michelle Mouton that said "you had to treat the people like trees, and you do not want to hit trees" Amazing to think the crowd was just another obstacle !
Crowd control was clearly a pressing issue and a massive factor in the cancellation of the group.
Very sad to hear of the Drivers who lost their life but also fulfilling to hear other drives reflecting on them at their peak.
I feel one of the saddest stories was hearing rally legend Ari Vatinen reflecting on Group B as a "Pearl" in his life.
He made it sound as if he hadn't done anything since!
I mean I'm too young to remember group B, I'm more of the (underated) Group A age I'm just the right age to know Ari Vatinen for watching VHS tapes of Paris Dakar not to mention Pikes Peak records ! (the film 'Climb Dance' is worth a watch if you enjoyed Madness on Wheels)
Despite Vatinen's great achievements after Group B It seems his group B domination was the high point in his decorated career. This I think shows the draw of that era in rallying. For both fans and Drivers.
Surely with the money Group-B was pulling in, better crowd control and better marshalling wasn't implausible ?
A performance cap at 500-600bhp would be plenty!
Maybe it is just a golden age never to be replicated.
It'd still sell cars, perhaps the homologation models wouldnt have got as weak as they are today. (although arguably the tighter restrictions on modern WRC has probably aided and showcased much more usable technology.. think of the advances made in low capacity 4 cylinder turbo engines in recent years for example)
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stealthstylz
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The thing that people don't realise is that modern WRC cars outpace group B cars by quite some way. They're faster, but don't go fast in such a dramatic fashion like the Group B cars did, and hence its not as exciting to watch. IMO it should have been banned. There is no way you can control 300,000 people out in rural areas and that was what caused the problems. It was definitely the high point of rallying, but the cost was high. Crowd control is obviously much better now due to less people spectating.
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Just watched it on iPlayer reminded me of some of the most horrific times in motorsport but also some of the highest points of it.
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Some days you just need to take a grinder to an inanimate object, just to make your day a tiny bit better!!
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Brian Damaged
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I was lucky enough to be around the sport in the 1980's, and witnessed Grp.B first-hand.
They were incredible, but as Stealthstylz rightly says, were no match for a WRC machine.
It was a mind-blowing time to be around though...those who weren't there would be hard-presed to imagine just HOW popular rallying was in the 1980's. I don't think anyone was that surprised that Grp.B was banned, the tragedies that befell the sport in 1986 were always going to happen at some point.
That's why I don't really bother with today's sanitised corporate gore-fest that World Rallying has become. I mean.....to use a (predictably for me) musical analogy, if you've seen Motorhead five times, why on EARTH would you want to see Nickelback? ;D
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Watched it, some superb and equally fearsome footage, the concept of spectators virtually able to touch a car passing through on gravel is scary. Yes a modern WRC car is quicker, but is the vision more memorable, potentially not(but it's easy to look through the old rose tinted specs etc). However the Lancia Rallye 037 is singularly the most gorgeous car, and full chat on the asphalt.....
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simes
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The thing that people don't realise is that modern WRC cars outpace group B cars by quite some way. They're faster, but don't go fast in such a dramatic fashion like the spectating. They are faster because they brake better
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Simes
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