DutyFreeSaviour
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Oct 25, 2006 11:19:39 GMT
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Guys, ( and girls - sorry ) As more of our pride n joys are ripped off - someone asked a pertinent one - tracker systems. How simple is it to obtain hardware and sort it out? I can't even find anything over here in Brussels - and the place is crawling with the African strip n ship merchants.........!!! Any clues?  Further to this - less seriously - an old RAF Sgt once told me of his bro' wiring up the old Zephyr so the thieving toe-rag was zapped. I've seen 'frogger' smoke devices - surely it could be made to dispense CS ( or something legal but bloody painful ) instead....... just wondering what the legal stance is once someone is actually IN the car. |
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Back from the dead..... kind of
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Oct 25, 2006 11:21:56 GMT
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I seem to remeber the inside of your car is technically a public place, hence its illegal to have a sword in the car, but you can have a sword over your fireplace.
Therefore the same assalt/weapon rules apply in cars as on the street.
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Oct 25, 2006 11:26:16 GMT
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A bloody sharp spike that can be raised up under the drivers seat, just below the cloth. You know its there and can move it, the traveller scum who just screwdrivered your door dosent. The joyus thought of his own weight jamming a steel spike 2" into his  , i might just make this for my imp! J |
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Oct 25, 2006 11:31:59 GMT
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you would be arrested for assault with a deadly weapon (or whatever charge stabbing someone is) as you set a trap to deliberately hurt someone. As i said, its classed as a public place so you cant do things like that.
Shame.
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Oct 25, 2006 11:39:51 GMT
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I'm sure I've read cases in the papers of people being prosecuted for doing just that kind of thing. Usually involving using a spare ignition coil to provider a damn good shock to the wood be thief.
For a short while there was a steeringwheel lock on the market here which flashed bleue as an initial warning and then shocked anyone who touched it. Not seen them advertised anywhere in years, not seen anyone with one. I'm sure Halfords stocked them for a while though.
The problem is not only that you may get done for assault, but that they may steal your car with a HIAB truck anyway.
I've seen instructions for a DIY tracker based on an an old mobile phone but I don't think they can be located as close as a real tracker can. Also you'd have to pursuade the cops to actually track the phone and they probably won't bother.
A tracker is expensive, but you have th back up which comes with it and thats what you are really paying for.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Oct 25, 2006 11:42:47 GMT
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I'm not 100% sure what you're asking gtvsaviour - you can buy tracker systems in the UK that are linked to the Police database, so when it's reported stolen the computers in the patrol cars can identify it (if they see it). The tracker device also shows the exact location of the car. I don't think the owner can see this information though... I could be wrong there, but I would have thought that would raise vigilante issues.
There is of course GPS systems you can buy if you prefer to track your own car, track down the thieving scum and pour napalm through their letterbox...
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Oct 25, 2006 11:43:03 GMT
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its a lose lose situation, just give them the keys so they don't damage the door locks guys.
J
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Oct 25, 2006 11:48:40 GMT
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its a lose lose situation, just give them the keys so they don't damage the door locks guys. J That's a bit defeatist! I think there are measures to make your car harder to steal - removing a vital component to stop it being driven away. As for HiAbs (a bigger issue I think), parking your car in a place where it's difficult to reach with a HiAb, if possible, would be a start. Or physically chaining your car to the ground (I think rmad was looking at this). Of course, these options aren't always available to us as some cars have to live out on the street  |
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Oct 25, 2006 11:50:43 GMT
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Oct 25, 2006 12:50:04 GMT
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yeah, but how accurate is the tracking on them? last time I tried to do a "locate me" with my mobile I said I was in Cinderhill when I was in Carlton - about 8 - 9 miles away. I believe they are usually good to a couple of hundred yards radius but the proper tracker is to like within 5 feet or something. imagine a 300 foot radius in a housing or trading estate - how many garages or units could that be in?
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Next thing is - you know where it is, so now what? The cops knew where the PC Granada was and still did nothing. With tracker they are contracted to go right round and locate the car.
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Last Edit: Oct 25, 2006 12:50:37 GMT by akku
1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Oct 25, 2006 12:51:56 GMT
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put a cattle prod in your boot and wire it up to the door handles, they wont be able to hold onto em for long enough to get in ur car. thats what people have done in south africa
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Oct 25, 2006 13:03:18 GMT
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i was kidding  The South Africa thing is more for hijacking i think, i remember seeing an E30 BMW with flames throwers coming out the sills? It does get my goat that you not allowed to defend your own things though, the traveller scum should have to run the gauntlet if they want something that isnt theirs. J |
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Nathan
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Oct 25, 2006 13:10:42 GMT
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You can get a homebrew form of Tracking using a off the shelf GPS device and it works a treat.
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Oct 25, 2006 13:16:24 GMT
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the problem with that is still how do you go about recovering the car. You can maybe locate the car to an exact yard or unit but will the cops bother to go look into it, or just give you a crime refference number for your insurance?
The real benefit of spending money on the "proper" tracker systems is the backup and their direct conacts with the law.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Oct 25, 2006 13:17:04 GMT
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The PAYG phone-tracker thing looks like a good budget option, but like alistairk says, what the hell do you do if you track your car down and it's in some yard surrounded by a bunch of scumbags built like brick sh*thouses!? As we've witnessed before, the rozzers are no f*cking good as they're too busy dishing out on-the-spot fines to people for swearing / looking shifty. Gathering a bunch of equally "handy" mates is just going to land you in prison or hospital. Calling in an air-strike would work but is beyond the capabilities of most people...
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Oct 25, 2006 13:44:57 GMT
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i had somebody try to steal my fiat coupe the other week,so what did i o after i fixed the damage? i went and bought a rottweiler ! and i aint joking!
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Oct 25, 2006 13:49:15 GMT
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There was a case in the papers back in the day. Some dude with a 3 Door Sierra Cossie. He was fed up of getting it nicked and I reckon his insurance told him to keep it on the drive rather than garaged, as if they broke into the garage they would have more time to work on it than if it was parked in view of the passing public in his drive. Anyway, he wired the car upto the mains and if you touched the body you would get 240v through you. The dude that tried to nick the car took him to court and won damages... Brilliant..  |
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Last Edit: Oct 25, 2006 13:49:39 GMT by dubbedup
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Oct 25, 2006 14:05:25 GMT
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The dude that tried to nick the car took him to court and won damages... Brilliant.. That's disgraceful!  |
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Oct 25, 2006 14:08:31 GMT
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Its assault.
I've heard of burglars falling down the stairs in someones house and sueing for damages before...
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Oct 25, 2006 14:27:32 GMT
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Its all so clear cut, the initial reason for them touching your car / being in you house if disregarded.
Rubbish
J
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