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Mar 17, 2012 23:17:13 GMT
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it wouldnt help the customers car in a garage thing but the traders maybe.......probably not the most legal thing to do but when filling in the trade slip, whats wrong with a mickey mouse name and adress ?
if it gets sent back and they think its 200 miles away from where its from, surely they cant look for it in the area it actually is ?...and if they want to play " dirty bastads"...why shouldnt we ?
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Mar 17, 2012 23:46:27 GMT
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Is it impossible for trader to put in a SORN declaration on a car in his custody? (Not a customers car obv). What happens if he just sends off the SORN dec as if he owned it outright?
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Is it impossible for trader to put in a SORN declaration on a car in his custody? (Not a customers car obv). What happens if he just sends off the SORN dec as if he owned it outright? According to this a trader doesn't have to delcare sorn www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/layer?topicId=1081968471only on vehicals in thier own name |
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it wouldnt help the customers car in a garage thing but the traders maybe.......probably not the most legal thing to do but when filling in the trade slip, whats wrong with a mickey mouse name and adress ? if it gets sent back and they think its 200 miles away from where its from, surely they cant look for it in the area it actually is ?...and if they want to play " dirty bastads"...why shouldnt we ? I don't think it's a case of they come looking for it, they just drive about with ANPR camers on a van and it picks up no taxed or sorned vehicals, thats what the vans are with 4 cameras on the corners, not CCTV. |
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it wouldnt help the customers car in a garage thing but the traders maybe.......probably not the most legal thing to do but when filling in the trade slip, whats wrong with a mickey mouse name and adress ? if it gets sent back and they think its 200 miles away from where its from, surely they cant look for it in the area it actually is ?...and if they want to play " dirty bastads"...why shouldnt we ? That's one of the reasons why the DVLA are cracking down on all this now. People were filling in the trade bit with some random address and using a mates trade policy to tax the car and then driving round sometimes without insurance (pre mid database days) and also avoiding any parking or speeding fines etc. If the DVLA used their brains instead of misinterpreting their own regs then it would make sense to get genuine traders etc to register with them so that when they receive a V5C/3 section they will know it's from a registered trader by the serial number etc they enter on the form. That will prevent pretend trader from registering a car as in trade to try and bypass the system, and as it's their database that the police download for the ANPR cameras then these ghost cars will be picked up. However I do tend to live in lala land where government policy is concerned as it's easier to milk and punish the law abiding as opposed to catching the criminal. |
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Mar 18, 2012 23:11:46 GMT
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You can't park a car on a public highway on Trade Plates (parked as in left) iirc
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Mar 18, 2012 23:13:42 GMT
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Is it impossible for trader to put in a SORN declaration on a car in his custody? (Not a customers car obv). What happens if he just sends off the SORN dec as if he owned it outright? According to this a trader doesn't have to delcare sorn www.businesslink.gov.uk/bdotg/action/layer?topicId=1081968471only on vehicals in thier own name But you can sorn a vehicle that is in trade via the web |
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Mar 18, 2012 23:19:12 GMT
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That's an interesting one re the traders section - filling in a fictiscous name etc. There is no record of trader - to - trader system so you could have bought it from anyone & be legit
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Apr 16, 2012 10:29:54 GMT
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Apr 16, 2012 11:20:39 GMT
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I think there may be some slight misunderstanding going on.
A car in the trade doesn't have to be SORN'd for having no road tax. A trader can't even legally declare SORN or tax a car anyway (unless he registers the car in his own name) since he is not the registered keeper, nor is he required to be a registered keeper. Obviously, the car cannot be used on the road without tax unless trade plates are displayed. The car cannot be parked on the road even if trade plates ARE displayed. Trade plates are for the purpose of test drives and moving a car between places as required by the business.
I suspect the issue we are discussing here is more of a continuous insurance issue. Under trade insurance all cars are covered. Cars do not have to be individually added to the policy as such, but after 6 weeks they DO have to be added to the MID (Motor insurance Database). This has been the case for as long as I can remember. It is free to add a vehicle to the MID under your trade policy, it does not add an owner to the vehicle since the trader doesn't have to register it, therefore it does not devalue the car in anyway. With my trade policy, I simply logged into my account online, entered the make, model and reg number and it was then registered on the MID as having insurance. Job Jobbed. When the car was sold, it was simply a case of logging onto the insurance website and removing the car from the MID under my insurance. I suspect that some traders may have fallen foul of this as it's easy to forget to complete the MID after 6 weeks, particularly if they have a lot of stock. I used to do the MID as soon as I acquired the car to spare me any issues later as I'm quite forgetful.
As for customer's cars being seized from business premises, then obviously it's a case of the vehicle not being SORN'd by the owner, in which case it's the owner's fault, regardless of where the car was actually seized from.
I see no problem.
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Apr 16, 2012 17:06:34 GMT
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What if the car that the owner traded it it was on sorn or taxed and these had expired while it was in the trader posession?
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Apr 16, 2012 17:42:04 GMT
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2 garages caught up in this locally. Even made the evening paper.
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Apr 16, 2012 20:10:05 GMT
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Apr 16, 2012 20:14:23 GMT
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Hey that is seriously interesting, nice work that man. I am going to have a proper peruse of that lot. |
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1974 Lancia Beta Saloon
1975 Mazda 929 Coupé
1986 Mazda 929 Wagon
1979 Mazda 929 Hardtop
1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica
1977 Toyota Carina TA14
1989 Subaru 1800 Wagon
1982 Hyundai Pony 1200TL 2-dr
1985 Hyundai Pony 1200 GL
1986 Maserati 425 Biturbo
1992 Rover 214 SEi 5-dr
2000 Rover 45 V6 Club
1994 Peugeot 205 'Junior' Diesel
1988 Volvo 760 Turbodiesel Saloon
1992 Talbot Express Autosleeper Rambler
2003 Renault Laguna SPEARS OR REAPERS
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Slightly off topic but not as well, can anyone help me with this as I'm having a bit of a night mare with the truck I bought last night, it's not sorned and it's not taxed - it's on DVLA records as being tied to a trader, so if I Tax it before it goes in my name I loose 4 months tax as the tax ran out in Jan. I cant sorn the truck because it's not in my name & it's currently on DVLA system as being registered to a trader. So basically I cant tax it until the new V5 come's through in my name, just been across to DVLA office (it's across the road from my work) and it's a right pain  Anyone have any idea how the f I go about this? |
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Slightly off topic but not as well, can anyone help me with this as I'm having a bit of a night mare with the truck I bought last night, it's not sorned and it's not taxed - it's on DVLA records as being tied to a trader, so if I Tax it before it goes in my name I loose 4 months tax as the tax ran out in Jan. I cant sorn the truck because it's not in my name & it's currently on DVLA system as being registered to a trader. So basically I cant tax it until the new V5 come's through in my name, just been across to DVLA office (it's across the road from my work) and it's a right pain Anyone have any idea how the f I go about this? Maybe I'm misunderstanding this... I thought your liability for tax started when you bought it, so if the previous owner decided to neither tax it nor SORN it or he was a trader it had no bearing on what you pay when you tax it. I've bought cars that were untaxed due to being registered to a trader and been able to get 12 months tax starting the month I bought the tax. I've also bought cars and bikes that had no tax or SORN and, though the DVLA enforcement people tried to touch me up for a few quid, I just taxed them when I got them and didn't have to pay back tax (if you know what I mean). Have you tried just pitching up at the Post Office and taking advantage of the fact that they sometimes don't check things as well as they should? |
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I havent tried that yet as it's not insured atm.
Going to see if I can put it on my policy until the bmw sells, then give it a go.
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Apr 17, 2012 10:28:02 GMT
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Can't tax it without a V5 or the green new keepers supplement, there's no choice but to wait until that comes through.
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Apr 17, 2012 10:53:10 GMT
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Thats plums , he does something illeagal (even if for only 5 mins) then complains he was caught, that has nothing to do with being unfair and all to do with whinging about being caught ! they should have an off road forcourt simple as that. Don't get me wronge the DVLA are a bunch of muppets 90% of the time but nowdays people see that as an excuse to get out of fine that they simply deserve  His choice to park the car illeagaly his choice to get the builders in and not plan it correctly. |
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Apr 17, 2012 12:27:43 GMT
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Just stuck temp insurance on it & have the green slip so going to try and tax it as I don't trust the DVLA no to take it off the drive. Can't tax it without a V5 or the green new keepers supplement, there's no choice but to wait until that comes through. |
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