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The lighter is the least of my worries... but it is straight now --- Today, the Princess was being used to tootle over to Lubenham which is just off J20 of the M1 for a Triumph Club open day. All was well, no issues of note at all, but about 30 miles from our destination the temp gauge suddenly jumped up from the usual 1/2 to 3/4. I backed off and the temperature dropped a bit but the car didn't seem too bad. We pulled off at Leicester Forest East just for a loo break and I popped the bonnet just in case. The thermostat housing had a bit of steam coming from it and had overflowed. At first I thought the bodge of chemical metal had failed and it had just dumped all the water out again. But popping off the oil filler cap proved otherwise. I'd checked the water and oil a couple of days ago and there was no mayonnaise or warning that anything was amiss. We filled the expansion tank and started the car to see what would happen. Lots of water and steam out the exhaust was about the result of that and the gauge rising steadily. That proved conclusively that it was a head gasket failure. Thankfully, back in February I signed up for AA membership and today was the first time I've ever had to make use of it. The first AA thing to arrive was a van and I laughed when the driver suggested we might be able to put K-seal in, and then he laughed when he saw the contents of the oil filler. He didn't have the relevant A-frame* with him so we waited for a big lorry to take us home instead. Tonight I spent my last bit of cash on 4ltrs of oil. I'll get the head off, check it for level and use the stuff I bought to do the HLS head on the HL instead now. The only thing I need to acquire is some engine flush to clean out the gunk and I can borrow the relevant stem seal tool so that can be done at the same time. It's a frustrating set back, but it will allow me to get the engine in tip top health, something I was putting off until the Spring as I'll likely have to do this job in the street as I don't have enough driveway space to use.
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Amazosan
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The Stylin', profilin', limousine riding, jet flying, kiss-stealing, wheelin' dealin' son of a gun!
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Oh curse word, sorry to hear that dude.
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Clement
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ambitious but rubbish
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Ha! I saw the title, expected a gutted Mr Vulgalour and instead you seem almost happy that it happened. I don't know how to react now
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Too late now, but you could have just got a local machinist to turn up the correct size sleeves for the wheel nuts and then used std nuts instead.
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Possible that it dumped the coolant, overheated, and then did the HG? They rarely go for no reason at all IME. Hope you get it all sorted without too much hassle.
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I've experience HGF before, and normally there's some indication of a problem. The Princess just offered a jump in temperature from 1/2 to 3/4 which I could keep down by not exceeding 55mph or going up hills so I think that prevented things being any worse due to coming off so soon afterwards at the services. There was still a bit of water in and I hadn't boiled it over but when I did top up the water it just came straight out the exhaust again.
I'll know for definite how it's gone tomorrow, it's strange that there's no oil in the water but there's obviously water in the oil. It's also odd that there's no noticable drop in power and the engine doesn't sound like a bag of spanners. I did gain what I thought was an exhaust blow a while ago but couldn't find the source of it beyond it seeming to be down the back of the engine, so I'm wondering if I've had a slow motion HGF rather than a dramatic all-at-once jobby like it was with my old Polo.
We shall see tomorrow when I get the head off. £5 of my remaining £7 will go on engine flush to get the job done and then I just have to hope I get some more paid work in which, in December, is pretty difficult to achieve.
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What do you do for a living?
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Self employed artist. October-February is pretty quiet, December in particular... it's just a bad time for the car to break as much as it has really. Brilliantly, I can't do the job today either because I'm not allowed to use any of the space I have so I've got to wait until tomorrow to get the car up to my brother's so I can work there. Not thrilled about that.
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bortaf
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I've experience HGF before, and normally there's some indication of a problem. The Princess just offered a jump in temperature from 1/2 to 3/4 which I could keep down by not exceeding 55mph or going up hills so I think that prevented things being any worse due to coming off so soon afterwards at the services. There was still a bit of water in and I hadn't boiled it over but when I did top up the water it just came straight out the exhaust again. I'll know for definite how it's gone tomorrow, it's strange that there's no oil in the water but there's obviously water in the oil. It's also odd that there's no noticable drop in power and the engine doesn't sound like a bag of spanners. I did gain what I thought was an exhaust blow a while ago but couldn't find the source of it beyond it seeming to be down the back of the engine, so I'm wondering if I've had a slow motion HGF rather than a dramatic all-at-once jobby like it was with my old Polo. We shall see tomorrow when I get the head off. £5 of my remaining £7 will go on engine flush to get the job done and then I just have to hope I get some more paid work in which, in December, is pretty difficult to achieve. Usually the metal fire ring gives out on the H/G then the gasket itself get burnt away and the water enters the combustion chamber then runs past the piston into the oil, oilways tend to be further away from the CC so the waterways are breached first hense water in the oil way more than oil in the water.
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R.I.P photobucket
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reminds me of my first gte back in 2005 lol, i promise this isn't a photoshop
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captain70s
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Purveyor of knackered Triumphs
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I remember my Dolly 1300's head gasket going. Had just finished a run out and had noticed there was air bubbling up into the expansion tank so I knew something was amiss. Was running a bit hotter than usual but not enough to overly concern me.
When I got into town and stopped at the traffic lights a massive cloud of white smoke started pouring from the exhaust to the point where I couldn't see out of the rear window! Reversing into the garage with no visibility due to the cloud of my own creation was quite the challenge!
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Currently Own: '77 Dolomite 1300 - Heap of BL flavoured junk. '76 Dolomite 1850 - Log book still in my name, 200 miles away. '83 Triumph Acclaim - Reliable daily Honda. '05 Honda Civic - Unreliable dead Honda.
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Damnit, you were in Lubenham this weekend?! I'm only a couple of villages away! That'd explain the Bond Equipe estate I saw on my way into Market Harborough, at least. And damn, HGF after everything you've done and still cheerful. You have more patience than I
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I was *almost* in Lubenham. Had I been able to keep water in the engine I would definitely have limped to the open day and had AA rescue me from there. Patience is wearing a little thin at the moment though, This job should be done by now with everything cleaned up but I can't afford the extra oil I need and I'm going to have to go to my brother's place rather than fixing it at home because of neighbours being awkward. So it now takes as long as it takes for me to get sorted.
I had bought 4 litres of 10w40 but since I'm going to flush the engine with cheap oil rather than an engine flushing product - mainly because I don't really know the history of maintenance for the engine so I'm going a bit softly-softly with it - I need another 8 litres. Being box-in-sump, I need 6 litres for an oil change rather than 4, just as well I checked in the book rather that just going with what I thought was right from memory.
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I'm sorry to hear that Wedge 1 has thrown a spanner in the works... I suppose it could have manifested itself in a much more spectacular conclusion so I suppose you have to be thankful for small mercies right?!
It is lucky that you have Wedge 2 to liberate spares from temporarily. If that wasn't at your disposal then I imagine things would be even more frustrating!!!
Keep on keeping on sir, this is just such a glorious car...
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***GARAGE CURRENTLY EMPTY***
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Dec 10, 2013 22:01:17 GMT
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Progress, of a sort. I've got what I hope is the correct valve spring compressor in the post to me, a suitable quantity of oil, a full gasket set, antifreeze, de-ionised water, torque wrench and all manner of other tools and stuff to sort the engine out. Thankfully, I don't need to use the car this week so I can wait for all my various things to get to me to do all the engine jobs at once.
Entirely by chance we found the source of my minor oil leak on the engine. As my brother came on the drive tonight his headlights swept the front of my car which now sits higher after the suspension pump up and is facing the opposite side to usual. This highlighted the fresh oil on the gearbox end plate and it looks like a couple of nuts are looser than they should be and that the gasket is leaking. What's annoying about that is that I've been under the car and cleaned bits to try and locate the oil leak and consistently failed to find anything conclusive before now.
We'll get the head off, change the valve stem seals and reseal the rocker cover thus eliminating the very minor weep from there. We'll then do the head gasket and after we've drained the first lot of oil we'll get the end plate resealed. Then we'll fix the inevitable exhaust blow at least twice and threaten to set fire to it before calling the job finished.
Oh, and my wheel nuts were posted today too.
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jonw
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Can open a Mouse with a File
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Dec 11, 2013 13:23:30 GMT
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If you can use an O/E Austin Rover head gasket. A few people I knew used aftermarket ones on the minis and had issues with premeture failure. I used the genuine and never had a problem.
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Suzuki SV650R The good Triumph T20 The Bad BMW G650GS The Ugly Matchless G12CSR The Smokey Toyota Hybrid One pint or Two?
Ingredients of this post Spam Drunken Rambling of author Bad spelling Drunken ramblings of inner voices Occasional pointless comments Vile beef trimming they won't even use in stock cubes
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I bought a NOS Powertrain gasket set for £15 for use on the HLS. Seems really good quality stuff, certainly nicer than what I removed from the HL. --- Today we fixed the head gasket. I found out that the weird 'Coalite-y' smell I'd get through the vents occasionally was coming from the engine, it was pretty pungent once the head was split from the block and after some thinking about it, Dad reckons it's the same smell as a product called Seal-It (may be spelled differently). So that's another bodge uncovered and rectified. The entire block face was covered in a strange black goop but the head face was lovely and clean and flat as I'd expected it to be. Speaking of bodges, I'm not sure what monkey had been at the engine before but the rocker cover bolts are dogged up so tight they can't be undone so I couldn't do the valve stem seals without risk of shearing bolts. The headbolts were no better with 9 of the 10 far too tight and one far too loose. The head gasket had blown between cylinders three and four but also showed signs of blowing across compression. It looks like it blew in a minor way some time ago and it was only recently that it properly failed. This might explain the peculiar cutting out issue I would randomly get and why now some of the strange little noises and driving sensations that I could never pin down have now gone away. We made sure to clear all the water out of the bores and headbolt threads before bolting the engine back together. Casualties of the work were one sheared manifold bolt, one shattered sparkplug and quite a few skinned knuckles. Eventually I'll need to get the bolts for teh manifold replaced as two of them are not in great shape and one seems to have partially stripped the thread in the block. This does mean that the small blow on one corner of the manifold gasket is still there but it's so minor that it doesn't really effect anything. We're probably going to gum things up short term to try and resolve it properly. After some cleaning and checking of surfaces we had no reason to believe things couldn't just be bolted together so that's what we did. Bit of confusion over the firing order since I had nothing to mark the spark leads with and apart from a comedy backfire-with-flames through the exhaust we got the firing order correct and the car now burbles away quite happily. Took the car for a quick drive and the first thing was how much more torque was available low down where there was nothing before. I didn't have to go up and down the gearbox as much and the temperature gauge barely got to quarter when normally the run we did would have pushed it to half. Things are quieter and less smelly in the cabin too so I reckon we've cured quite a few niggles that I could never pin down to one thing by doing this job. Happily, my Lotus wheel nuts arrived today too so I can get the alloys on properly and make sure the rear suspension arms are set correctly as they may be the cause of the strangeness with the rear end settling lower when the car isn't being used.
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Excellent news! A fixed engine performing better than before, and Lotus wheels closer to begin fitted
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Dec 14, 2013 17:15:45 GMT
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What, more progress? Yes indeed. Having been able to properly inspect the Lotus wheels and wheelnuts it's now clear why regular sleeve nuts don't work: both the wheel and the nut have a very, very slight taper to the shank. With the proper wheel nuts the alloys went on beautifully well and centre up as you tighten them so I'm delighted. This is at the local air station which is usefully on a slope so I need to get a better picture for you all at some point in the future because it makes my arch gaps look really silly. However, nothing is ever plain sailing with this car and one of the tyres I'd let the air out of to help me polish up the wheel has come off its bead and won't hold air. I know there is a method of fixing this with fire, but I don't want to do that. Instead, I'll let my trusted local tyre place sort it, but since they closed before I got there today and are, I think, closed on Sunday I'll have to do it Monday. In the meantime, I've got my spare steel sat on one corner until I can tootle over to the tyre place and it's safe enough to be parked on the street that way. I was already concerned about the tyres on the steels because they're not the best but I'm probably a little more concerned now than I was because a lot of the little bits of noise and jiggles and random things you experience only really as a driver have disappeared with the Lotus wheels on even though one is still a not-Lotus. I'd say the tyres on the steels are probably completely jiggered. I'm on the lookout for a spare matching alloy should anyone spot or have one. No great rush, but I like to have a matching set and I know the alloy fits in the factory wheel well neatly. Didn't wash the car or reset the suspension arms because it's insanely windy here today, but I will get these things done soon.
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Dec 14, 2013 17:25:21 GMT
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the head gasket on the hls will be a whix now that you have already done the HL. Wheels look spot on!
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