EmDee
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Toyota GT86 - Purist specEmDee
@emdee
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THIS IS EXCELLENT NEWS FOR CAR PEOPLE
Hopefully it will sell, other manufacturers will sniff success and follow suite.
Black bumpers are a win for me, looks mean.
If you want it a lot lighter you can strip it yourself, it's a blank canvas! Kudos to Toyota for actually listening to car people, I'd buy one in a heartbeat if I had to have a new car.
Far better than other manufacturers like Porsche and BMW taking all the stuff out and charging more for the "racing version"
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I want one, if they sell it here I will buy one. That's how much I love that car.
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Well, that's won me over. * abandons logic*
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Toyota GT86 - Purist specRobinxr4i
@robinxr4i
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Just seen this on Pistonheads main page, IMO this is a great step for Toyota to do a stripped back version.
Just needs coilovers and a welded diff........ heaven!
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Sierra - here we go again! He has an illness, it's not his fault.
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It's an interesting bit of marketing, and whoever sold it to management played a blinder.
Think of it like this. How many really fresh hothatches do you see out there running aftermarket bodykits and huge wheels? I see them and think what was wrong with the old parts, from the point of view of why buy the top model in the range with all the goodies, and then strip 'em straight off.
Even though that's not my thing, I can see why a cheaper version that gives you steelies to get as far as your local Halfords for your own choice of alloys makes sense for guys who are into it.
Maybe they can take it to the next stage where you bring your own alloys to pick up the car, and they wheel the car out on a set of steelies they found at the back of the workshop, so you're not even having to buy wheels off them :-)
If you want the model with the stock alloys and body-coloured bumpers, that's still available, right?
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smellyferret
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How would UK type approval regs see this? I guess anything purchased from toymota as you get the car would be fine, but the fact this seems to me to be a "go on pimp me up!" any potential pitfalls? Oh and put some shiny big slotmags on it
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i was thinking of starting a thread about this car as i think it's interesting for a few reasons.
drivers want affordable rwd sports cars and the motoring press is frothing at the mouth for this thing. yet for some reason the manufacturers don't want to give us them. imagine trying to sell an idea like this to the suits at a gigantic corporation with no similar products in the market to compare figures with. it's almost unthinkable for such a huge company to step outside the box like this.
if the GT86 is a huge success then imitations will come thick and fast. imagine amazing powerplants from a focus RS or an astra VXR in an affordable RWD chassis.
i don't love old cars just because they're old, i love them because they're cheap, RWD, fun to drive and easy to customise and if there's a resurgence in this kind of car then i won't spend so much time hunting ebay and scrapyards to keep some knackered old wreck on the road.
then we can just forget the 90's and the 00's ever happened!
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Kai
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Ford should take note of this RWD re-introduction....we could certainly do with a new Capri
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Bolf
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Needs to be made clear , this 'version' is for people who'll modify the car , unpainted bumpers will be replaced by a aftermarket kit , wheels will be removed and replaced with others. Its not a lightweight cup version , that remains to be seen yet (maybe with a supercharger)
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I think ( in theory ) this is a piece of brilliance but unfortuneately will be killed off quickly by the cnuts in the insurance industry making it impossible to insure with all the modifications to your "blank canvas" <rant over> would still buy one and stick a high strung STI subie motor in and some welding wire at the diff, just for curse word and giggles mind,
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The higher models all have LSD's so a sensible idea would be to have an LSD on the options list? That would be cracking.
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Well, that's won me over. * abandons logic*
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Ford should take note of this RWD re-introduction....we could certainly do with a new Capri this is what i was getting at. more rwd fast fords would be brilliant but it's never going to happen unless someone sticks their neck out and proves that it works by making a pile of cash
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Hyundai already has a rwd coupe on the market, the ft86 has been pretty well received so far - if the buyers follow the hype I would say anyone who has enough spare bits laying around to build a RWD coupe would have to be considering it.
For example, if I were Mazda I would be looking at it carefully - there must be quite a few people who would love a rwd sports car, but the only option has been the mx5. The FT86 is a slightly more practical version. Mazda has the bits, a bit of engineering work and bang, they can have a coupe (they've done it before)
And speaking of Capri's, Ford and Mazda already work together, Mazda has the bits for a RWD car (mx5) which Ford could potentially share in the same way they share the Mazda 3/Ford Focus platform. Design a snub nosed, fastback shell, chuck the mx5 running gear in and hello, new Capri! I think it would need a different motor to the mx5 to stand out (surely there is a v6 they can use??)
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For example, if I were Mazda I would be looking at it carefully - there must be quite a few people who would love a rwd sports car, but the only option has been the mx5. The FT86 is a slightly more practical version. Mazda has the bits, a bit of engineering work and bang, they can have a coupe (they've done it before) Someone appears to have completely forgotten the RX8? Speaking of which, the RX9 is rumoured to be about in the next year or so...
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This is interesting to me, because it's obvious that Toyota are intending the car to be modified. I agree that you shouldn't have to pay for fancy wheels and painted facias if you're just going to replace them anyway. I don't see why they would get rid of the colour-coded door handles and mirrors though. Last year I was working at the Holden plant, where they sell a car very much like this to HSV, which is the factory-endorsed tuner. The HSV cars leave the Holden line with unpainted front and rear facias and side skirts, often ones which were defective and rejected before paint. They come with a 327kW V8 and the standard V6 model brakes, because the brakes are thrown away and replaced by HSV. They also have steel rims, which are sent back to the factory after HSV take delivery of the car and swap the wheels.
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For example, if I were Mazda I would be looking at it carefully - there must be quite a few people who would love a rwd sports car, but the only option has been the mx5. The FT86 is a slightly more practical version. Mazda has the bits, a bit of engineering work and bang, they can have a coupe (they've done it before) Someone appears to have completely forgotten the RX8? Speaking of which, the RX9 is rumoured to be about in the next year or so... The rx8 was substantially more expensive than the mx5 - in Australia a top of the line mx5 is $45k, the rx8 was about $15k - $20k dearer, so not really in the same league, more in the 370z price range. I thought the rx9 had been canned because the rotary engine was not goign to be pursued any further? Speaking of Holden, GM has enough parts bin bits to do a small coupe too - return of the Torana anyone? Just do a new uni body (I realise that is expensive) and bung the v6 Commodore running gear under it. Keep it to 1200kg-ish and it'd be a rather special bit of gear. Righto, I'm dreaming now...
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Having just checked, the base model of each, which is what we're really on about in this thread, in the 2011 year were only $3.5k apart in the states and £3.5k apart here. The 370Z being a minimum of £8k more. I'd agree they're not really in the same league, more seats, doors, hardtop etc. Apparently the MX5 has more space for scissors too. ( smirk). I just like the Rex more, in every form it's ever been produced in. I will have one of each one day. Mazda are (rightly) sticking by their guns and developing another rotary engine, the 16x. With the aims of making it torquier and more fuel efficient. Interesting stuff. www.mazda.com/mazdaspirit/rotary/16x/Anyway, I hope that Toyota is the first in a string of manufacturers to do this.
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Speaking of Holden, GM has enough parts bin bits to do a small coupe too - return of the Torana anyone? Just do a new uni body (I realise that is expensive) and bung the v6 Commodore running gear under it. Keep it to 1200kg-ish and it'd be a rather special bit of gear. Righto, I'm dreaming now... Actually, GM has just recently developed a medium-size rear-wheel-drive platform. The first car to be developed on this platform is the Cadillac ATS, which will be available with a 270hp 2.0 litre turbo four cylinder engine or the 3.6 litre V6 producing 318hp. It's intended to compete with the BMW 3 series and looks like it will be quite good! It's not likely to meet your target of 1200kg though, especially not in Cadillac trim. All of the GM vehicles are extremely heavy at the moment. The Cruze weighs 1400kg and that's front wheel drive! Now, if they could drop the price enough and release it with Chevy (and Holden) badges, that would be great. It's the right size for a Torana revival, but unfortunately I don't see how Holden could possibly sell it for less money than the current SV6, unless it was imported. Still, it would be a nice car to have in the range. I don't think that Holden would get away with selling an imported car badged as the Torana though!
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I think it's a bit harsh to slate a 40kg weight saving on what is already a light weight car!! (by modern standards)
The standard GT86 weighs 1230kg
The light weight aluminium bodied Honda NSX weighs 1410kg! Even the NSX R weighs 1270kg.
The super lightweight, carbon roofed and bumpered e46 M3 CSL weighs 1385kg!
The Nissan 350Z, 1532kg
Even a renaultsport Clio 197 cup weighs 1240kg!
So, IMO, a 40kg saving on what is already a lightweight car is a hell of an achievement!
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Remember the days when sex was safe and motorsport was dangerous. Vintage bling always attracts pussy.
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Nice little idea, Would be nice to see a race series born of this!
Like a one model series... Its happened with other cars. And this is the perfect blank canvas for that.
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Aren't the bumpers irrelevant? They are just going to be smashed off against track walls and grass verges when the owners run out of skill when drifting. At least they won't have to look for a colour matched one to replace it!
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