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Not strictly retro, but it's great to see Toyota go this direction (at least in Japan) and release a basic version on the new GT86. It loses cupholders, air con, front fogs, boot lamp, intake manifold cover and stereo. The buyer gets a simplified version of the machine with unpainted bumpers and even steel wheels! Is it just me who thinks it looks great in this form? Toyota hope people will use it as a blank slate and customise it through their options list. They're definitely doing something right, as it's the first new car I've wanted to own for a long time! from here: www.pistonheads.co.uk/news/default.asp?storyId=25155
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Onne
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Much prefer it with coloured bumpers though, but great to see a drivers car back in their range!
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It's such a good idea - bang on brand, and totally what the consumers are clamouring for. They cannot fail with this.
Cheaper and lighter? It's what Renaultsport do with the Cup models... it works.
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First car I've been excited about in years, just what the world needs I'm sure I read somewhere the dash comes with punch out holes for fitting a roll cage.
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Unpainted bumpers ready to be replaced with some ghastly body kit?
Looking up one of my cars ( '89 Honda CR-X SiR ) upon the factory website I was surprised to see photos of them with base spec. steel wheels (for the top Vtec engine spec model). So maybe this isn't such a new practice in Japan?
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40kg? What a waste of time. So the GT is about 3.5% heavier which basically means if you were to increase the power by about 7hp you'd have the same power to weight ratio as the RC anyway.
This is a case of looking like you're doing the right thing whilst not actually doing anything of the sort. I applaud the idea of offering a lightweight stripped down version but this isn't really it. It's just marketing.
Maybe if they offered it without sound deadening, carpet and everything stripped to the max to loose nearer 10%, then it might be worthwhile to me....
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Last Edit: Feb 8, 2012 11:08:06 GMT by Ratdat
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I'm also looking forwards to these sooo much. I want a test drive in one as soon as they're out even if I won't be able to afford one for a few years. Some one at Toyota has really got the right idea with this, both in the original concept and the constant marketing drip feed working people into a frenzy over it.
edit: reading the article I think the most interesting bit is the fact it chops a third off the price! Although you do loose the LSD which I'm sure can be optioned back on.
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Last Edit: Feb 8, 2012 11:13:17 GMT by burns
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I don't think the whole weight thing is what they're going for here. Surely this is all about the price ?
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They're in the business of selling cars, of course it's marketing. But a little effort is better than none at all - I think it's more the fact that it's a slightly lighter, slightly cheaper version to reassures consumers that Toyota are sticking to the original remit of 'performance motoring for the masses'. Remember that when they started PR-ing the idea a few years ago, they were talking about making a car that would appeal to new drivers who actually wanted to drive; drift fans and race enthusiasts who cared about manual gearboxes and rear wheel drive. The idea of an overtly budget model is inspired. Too similar to the mainstream GT86? That's not a bad thing. It's cheaper.
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I don't think the whole weight thing is what they're going for here. Surely this is all about the price ? I'm sure it is but that makes it a budget version not an enthusiasts version. I would expect the trade off of buying a stripped out cheaper car would be to get a lighter car without any luxuries at all but this seems a bit of a half hearted effort. Yes, it's cheaper and that's great but labelling at some kind of purist drivers car compared with the GT is daft. I doubt you'd enjoy driving the stripped out version any more than the full fat one. You just save a few bucks.
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Two D1 drivers have already been out skidding in two of them too... Unpainted bumpers ready to be replaced with some ghastly body kit? Not every body kit is ghastly.
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Ok, so the weight loss is minimal. The price is near 10 grand less though! 16K for that! Same price as a Polo. *JDM only
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Ok, so the weight loss is minimal. The price is near 10 grand less though! 16K for that! Same price as a Polo. *JDM only No, the price is £10k cheaper than a UK spec GT not a Japan spec GT. Bit is a silly comparison really. I think the Japan spec GT is about £22k so it'd be £6k cheaper. A worthwhile saving still but not quite what PH has hyped it to be.
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Fair point, I wasn't wise to that. Still seems a hell of a car for 16 grand though. How much is an MX5 these days? It could well and truly limit them to middle aged women.
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I've got Rovers.
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No idea but I suspect the current MX5 doesn't quite follow the same ethos as the first. As with many sports cars, it's grown a little chubby in it's middle age. Look at the Fairlady. Sadly, I expect the same will happen with the 86 over the next decade.
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cool idea, and i think the money saving is good, however not having the bumpers painted looks cack, and the thing only weighs 40kg less which is neither here nor there, with a 55 tyre wall the handling will be interesting,
for me it would be better if they fitted perspex windows, strip the sound deadening and boot trim
has a lot of potential though
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nconst
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I get what you mean Ratdat didnt realise they had named it purist spec
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didnt realise they had named it purist spec I don't think they have, that's just what Pistonheads referred to it as. Don't honestly see what the problem is - Toyota never said 'look how much lighter this is than the regular 86, it's like a Superleggera version!' - they just made a cheaper version of the car. The cheapness comes from it having a lower spec. Having less stuff in it makes it marginally lighter, which they mentioned but didn't dwell upon.
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