Ryannn
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Jan 29, 2012 12:34:49 GMT
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Afternoon, I know there's a difference between legal owners and registered keepers, ie, that's simply the person responsible for taxing the vehicle. So can you back date a keeper change? I have a car which I've owned quite a while but another member of my family is still the registered keeper. They havnt used the car and have no issue with the fact that it is mine. Should I try and send off the New Keeper section of my V5 and just backdate it? Afraid I can't offer anything worthy in this thread as I'm on my phone... Thanks thanks thanks! ;D
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Tim
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Jan 29, 2012 12:37:25 GMT
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Can't see the point?
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Jan 29, 2012 13:16:35 GMT
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If the car isnt in your name, who did you say owned the car when you took out insurance? if you said it was yours, the insurance might not pay out in a claim. My advice - get the car put into your name.
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Ryannn
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Jan 29, 2012 13:17:16 GMT
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Just a question, not an exercise
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Ryannn
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Jan 29, 2012 13:19:15 GMT
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If the car isnt in your name, who did you say owned the car when you took out insurance? if you said it was yours, the insurance might not pay out in a claim. My advice - get the car put into your name. No problem there, they know I'm not the registered keeper ATM
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`state
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Jan 29, 2012 13:59:23 GMT
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don't try to back date it. Just send off the v5 and put todays date (or whenever you want to change it over)as if you back date it who ever is the registered keeper will be fined. I sold a car to my mate and couldnt find the v5 for it after looking for afew months so he sent off for a new one and they took me to court for not notifying them. Ended up with £110 fine and £45 costs.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Jan 29, 2012 14:42:16 GMT
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they actually took you to court? did you turn up? If you have said that you had posted it to them, you had have won the case, once that letter enters the postbox its deemed to be served, you have no legal requirement to chase it up (as much as the dvla lie and try and tell you it is infact law). To win they would need to prove that you havnt posted it (near impossible) or you get a judge decides he can make the law up as he goes along.
This also applies to fines for not declaring sorn. Tbh id thought they had stopped talking people to court for such offences as a quick google search tells you the real facts and not dvla's make believe ones.
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`state
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Jan 29, 2012 15:16:43 GMT
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Its about six years ago and even before i got onto the interwebz so didnt know you could fight anything like that. I just told my mate to apply for another thinking nothing of it and afew weeks later i got a court date.No chance for a fixed fine or anything. I rang them up and explained we hadnt being too bothered as we were good mates and was told that as id admitted id sold it on without notifying them and the call was being recorded it would go against me in court. I couldnt attend due to work so i havnt got a clue where they got the figure for the fine for,probably plucked out of thin air. Nowadays I'm more clued up as we all are due to the interwebz thank god.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Sept 22, 2021 16:46:16 GMT
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don't try to back date it. Just send off the v5 and put todays date (or whenever you want to change it over)as if you back date it who ever is the registered keeper will be fined. I sold a car to my mate and couldnt find the v5 for it after looking for afew months so he sent off for a new one and they took me to court for not notifying them. Ended up with £110 fine and £45 costs. Looks like me and my friend just almost made the same mistake! Thanks for posting this. I won't be back dating anything - just using todays date.
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Sept 24, 2021 8:24:05 GMT
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I recently changed a keeper and in the date section put a future date by accident and it said the date can't be in the future or more than 2 years in the past...
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Sept 24, 2021 10:30:24 GMT
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for what it's worth I backdate V5s all the time. For various reasons, being in the trade and breaking old cars and having 250+ in stock, means it happens regularly. There's never even been a hint of them wanting to fine me for any of that. When you use the online service, it asks you to enter the date of sale/transfer, with a click-button for "use today's date". If they weren't prepared to accept a date in the future or the past it wouldn't have that. Dunno if that helps. Just my experience.
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bstardchild
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Backdating new keepers...bstardchild
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Sept 24, 2021 11:18:11 GMT
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don't try to back date it. Just send off the v5 and put todays date (or whenever you want to change it over)as if you back date it who ever is the registered keeper will be fined. I sold a car to my mate and couldnt find the v5 for it after looking for afew months so he sent off for a new one and they took me to court for not notifying them. Ended up with £110 fine and £45 costs. Same happened with a car I own - I bought it the PO said he would send off the reg doc with me as new keeper I wasn't doing anything with the car so didn't notice that I hadn't got a reg doc thro the post When I did start to work on it I realised no Reg Doc - so sent off the application for a new reg doc and put in that I'd owned the car since xx date They tried to take the PO to court - lots of threatening letters - fortunately he told them he had sent the reg doc off in the post and as far as he was concerned he had complied with the legal requirements!!!! So if I wanted to avoid hassle for a family/friend PO I'd put new keeper date as today and send it off
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bstardchild
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Backdating new keepers...bstardchild
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Sept 24, 2021 11:20:57 GMT
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they actually took you to court? did you turn up? If you have said that you had posted it to them, you had have won the case, once that letter enters the postbox its deemed to be served, you have no legal requirement to chase it up (as much as the dvla lie and try and tell you it is infact law). To win they would need to prove that you havnt posted it (near impossible) or you get a judge decides he can make the law up as he goes along. This also applies to fines for not declaring sorn. Tbh id thought they had stopped talking people to court for such offences as a quick google search tells you the real facts and not dvla's make believe ones. I think that defense was also one of the reasons SORN was made continuous rather than every 12 mths - the cost of enforcement was not covered by the revenue stream
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glenanderson
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Backdating new keepers...glenanderson
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Sept 29, 2021 15:04:04 GMT
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They will only attempt to persue a previous owner for failure to notify if the new keeper says they don't need to pay the £25 replacement/admin fee because they did not receive the V5 from the previous owner. If you send a V62 off stating that you're the new owner, and that the V5 has been lost and you enclose the £25 replacement fee then the whole thing usually trundles through the system without any issues. The only issue with backdating an application is whether you might run into issues with regard to SORN responsibilities. I have just submitted an application for a V5 for a motorcycle that's been in bits for thirty years or more, and was never registered in the name of the bloke I bought it from, so the actual registered keeper hasn't seen the bike since about 1990. I did toy with the idea of backdating my purchase date, but then decided not to bother. Regardless of when the changes actually happened, there's still the same number of previous owners on the logbook, and anyone investigating the bike's history in the future will see that one owner had it for decades and did nothin with it, but that (hopefully) once I got hold of it it got some love.
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My worst worry about dying is my wife selling my stuff for what I told her it cost...
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I sold 2 cars to a father and his son respectively on the same day and posted the 2 V5s in the same envelope. 1 v5 came back (to the son) in 5 days. The other one didn't come back at all.
About 4 weeks later I contacted DVLA to find out why, they told me they hadn't recieved the missing one and the PO must have lost it. When I explained how I knew they MUST have recieved it, there was a very long pause.......... and the line went dead! 2 days later a new V5 appeared at the father's house! Good innit?
If i'm sending anything to DVLA these days, I always send it recorded delivery. They haven't lost ANYTHING since I started doing this, before that I was losing about 1 in 5 things.
They've tried the fail to SORN fine trick on me numerous times, must have got lost in the post is my default answer, even if I HAVE forgotten! Never had to cough up yet! And i've bought several cars where the V5 was missing, none of those sellers was ever even contacted by DVLA after I applied for a new V5. Maybe i'm such a frequent flier, that i'm on a "don't mess with him" list at Swansea!
Steve
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