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'71 Arrocuda.... '71 Sunbeam Rapier Turbo (The Grim Rapier).... '63 Hymek D7076..... Audi GT5S
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exactly, wibblepoo like this should be preserved because its part of our history. Like "On The Buses" and Wagon Wheels. Not any good but nostalgic. That said I'm not prepared to step up and save it...
You have to have a sense of humour about stuff. It gets all very "Pistonheads" otherwise. I occasionally get a deliberately crappy car, the VW Passat I have now kinda fits that, the Corolla I had was bought in that vein.
Same reason some people watch terrible movies for fun.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 30, 2012 10:01:43 GMT
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exactly, wibblepoo like this should be preserved because its part of our history. Like "On The Buses" and Wagon Wheels. Not any good but nostalgic. I'd have to disagree with this. I still buy Wagon Wheels when I see 'em although I have to admit that the wagons they have been taken off appear to be much smaller than they used to be. Prefer the jammie ones myself. You obviously have yet to discover the finer things in life AK.
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'71 Arrocuda.... '71 Sunbeam Rapier Turbo (The Grim Rapier).... '63 Hymek D7076..... Audi GT5S
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Jan 30, 2012 10:05:09 GMT
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I know someone who's cousin or some such worked on the refit of the Wagon Wheels production line and confirms they are indeed smaller now.
I'm more thinking poached pears in absinthe as a desert these days.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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andyf
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Jan 30, 2012 10:07:01 GMT
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I had one in the 1980`s, and yes it was wibblepoo, but that does not mean they`re not worth saving. It`s part of motoring history.
And anyway, with modern materials and people who want to look after them, they can be considerably better now than when they were new.
You can look at many motors of that era and say they were rubbish and not worth saving, but to do so would miss the point.
*Edit* If you think the 1500 was slow, I had the 1300!
**Edit again - that`s the Alpine I`m talking about, not wagon wheels - although I had a few of them as well.
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Last Edit: Jan 30, 2012 10:09:59 GMT by andyf
1980 Triumph TR7.
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Jan 30, 2012 10:15:00 GMT
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 30, 2012 10:22:03 GMT
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Well that's the joy of freedom of speech and difference of opinion. My opinion (as noted above) is that as they weren't really anything of note when new I don't see a great deal of point in restoring it,if it was perhaps the first year it was made or maybe been owned by the head of chrysler,appeared in a tv commercial etc I'd say yeah go for it but something as hideous as that really deserves to spend it's last days having a bit of real fun. It's a bit like football managers,ask any of them who played the game and they'll always say no matter how many honours they won as manager,they'd swap it all for one last good game,fa cup final etc. Now picture this,the old girl having that rattle box shitter motor pulled out,nice big v8 shoved in,raced around a track for a few hours,drifting,enjoying itself in it's last big hurrah!!! Rather than(what's most likely to happen),it becomes another unfinished project when the full extent of what needs doing really comes to life,Mot,tax,the mrs and once again it's either on eBay or at current scrap prices it's over the bridge. Pessimist or realist? In my heart I suppose it would be nice to see another one on the road,in my head though it would probably be just to say "why on earth has someone saved that? ?".
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Jan 30, 2012 12:06:35 GMT
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What a bizarre argument. Neither of us are going to be Nobel prize winners or whatever, and we will only die in the end anyway so why not just give us some big knifes and we can fight to the death in a gladiatorial arena for the amusement of the masses?
"not worth saving" could apply to pretty much any ford, Vauxhall, Toyota, whatever day to day type car. Only worth restoring the Ferraris and whatever. Meh, how dull
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jan 30, 2012 14:30:52 GMT
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Surely it's the buyer who decides whether or not the car is worth saving. If we take it down to the bare numbers no cars are worth saving, but that's not why we do this. We save and modify and enjoy old cars be them rubbish or not because it's fun, not because it makes any sense.
I can't imagine how boring life would be if everything I did had to make sense.
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Jan 30, 2012 15:37:12 GMT
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If you want to feel aspired to what lengths people will go to save unloved cars like this then i feel you should read this thread here. www.autoshite.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=10697&hilit=alpineSpend £450 on this 1 owner 17500 mile Alpine. Then 3 months and £2000 later you have a better then new Alpine to buzz about in!.
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Hirst
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Jan 30, 2012 21:37:05 GMT
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If it's from 1976 and it's still about now, it might as well continue to exist.
Side note regarding white bumpers - they don't fade to white, they're meant to be white (except later ones which are dark grey).
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Jan 30, 2012 21:48:07 GMT
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Some negative attitudes on here, this really does need saving. If this was restored and modified a little, perhaps a slight lowering on nice wheels, it would be a great alternative to the usual. I personally like the look of it standard too though.
Either way its a rare old beast that deserves another chance.
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MK2VR6
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Jan 30, 2012 21:52:03 GMT
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^^WHS. As for it not being very good from day one, neither were Lada Rivas. But that doesn't stop people saving the pesky things. My dad had an early Alpine before moving onto 2 different Horizons back in the 80's, so I have a slightly biased view. This one needs to survive.
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Jan 30, 2012 22:06:48 GMT
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Surely it's the buyer who decides whether or not the car is worth saving. If we take it down to the bare numbers no cars are worth saving, but that's not why we do this. We save and modify and enjoy old cars be them rubbish or not because it's fun, not because it makes any sense. I can't imagine how boring life would be if everything I did had to make sense. YES.This is another one of those cars like the Talbot Solara that I don't think I've ever seen on the road, or... erm, the Talbot Horizon, that I've seen one of. What is it with Talbot? Were they just wibblepoo? We had a Talbot Samba and it was rubbish; it mostly just broke down a lot.
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1989 Peugeot 205. You know, the one that was parked in a ditch on the campsite at RRG'17... the glass is always full. but the ratio of air to water may vary.
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Jan 30, 2012 22:49:34 GMT
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To each their own. No doubt some folk really like them! There was quite a nice one I saw recently locally, in that orange colour they came in. They did a Simca version also en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simca_1307
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Jan 30, 2012 23:42:00 GMT
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Last of the line Talbots were indeed a bit rubbish. I had a Sunbeam, follwed by 3 Sambas all at the same time. I was able to make 1 "good" one out of the three, ironically the oldest one. That was 20 years ago this year, and I'm still finding bits of them in the garage/shed!
We had a Talbot dealer near where I live, and when they stopped making cars the dealer sold all his brand new stock at exactly half price, and retired!
My father had a half-hearted look at a Solara, and the old boy salesman asked my Dad what he was currently driving. When Dad said "a 2 litre Capri" the saleman said "Keep the Capri son, these motors (Solaras) are no damn good"
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roundozo
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I used to drive a Horizon around a field when I was 14. It wasn’t necessarily that old then but I have to give it some credit. It was only a 1300 if I remember correctly but boy did she last well. All the other cars didn’t last half as long. I think the only cars that out lasted it were the mini’s. That’s compared to Granada’s, fiesta’s, Subaru’s, Citroen’s, Austin’s and Suzuki’s!!
I think if someone wants it, its worth saving. I'm sure people would have said the same thing about my Cortina 15 or so years after it was made. Now its a classic and people would call you insane for not rescuing it.
Swings and roundabouts.
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Jan 31, 2012 21:07:12 GMT
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Didn't meet the reserve, looks like it might end up bangered after all. Shame really but they can't all be saved.
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Jan 31, 2012 21:12:50 GMT
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I got outbid, and my bid didn't meet the reserve. Looks like I will be stuck with just 3 old cars for the time being.
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Jan 31, 2012 21:34:51 GMT
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I agree any car that could be saved should be, so hopefully someone will get this one back on the road.
My Dad had one of these in the 70's, we thought we were 'posh' because everyone else were driving about in 'lesser cars' like Triumphs or Cortinas.....
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