RobinJI
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Jan 19, 2012 20:20:13 GMT
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More good suggestions guys, thanks. Those Tillett seats look ideal, that's a good one to know about. I'm almost tempted to go with a low back seat and a seperate headrest, but I'm not sure what that'd be like on long drives, as I don't want it to be a trailer queen. It'll get trailered to track days or racing so I can use it properly and take spares, but I want to drive it to any shows. I'm not sure a low back would gain much over one of the full height Tillett ones anyway. I've been having a play around with the SolidWorks model, and this is the best I've managed to get it, this allows some padding on the seat, and I've added a 40mm thick helmet to the chap to allow for that. (The modeled person was roughly measured off my self, but only roughly): The only other thing I can think of to do is angle the top half of the main roll hoop backwards slightly, to let the headrest of the seat sit a little further back. Although I would like to keep some space between the spinning solid bits of the engine and my spine, even if there is a very solid bulkhead there. The only issue with mounting the seat right down below the floors structural members is that it gets in the way of having a diagonal triangulating the floor. Barty, That's a good idea, but I'm not sure how I'd get around the roof mould, extending it once it's made would mess up the weave of the carbon, and I can't mess with the mould because it's not mine. I also fear visibility might be a problem that way, plus there's the issue that I do love a low roof line ;D. I've just been out and measured my Passat, it's not exactly low slung, but from the seat cushion to the roof is about 980mm, with loads of headroom, and from the throttle stop to the back of the backrest is about 1420mm. Which is more space than I've got in the mini. I'd gain a good 100mm from the thickness of the backrest, which would mean it's only 15mm higher than the space in the mini, so it does sound possible. I've also realised I've been an idiot and completely forgot my housemate has an MGF, which is quite low slung, so I'll measure that when I get a chance and see how it compares. Thanks for the suggestions so far guys, definitely got me thinking about it more, any measurements would still be awesome if anyone feels like breaking out the tape measure though.
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RobinJI
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Jan 26, 2012 22:44:33 GMT
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Well I got some measurement's of my housemates MGF, and it looks like it should just about work The MGF, from the seat cussion (squashed slightly) to the roof is 890mm, and from the pedal stops to the back of the backrest is 1350mm. That gave me a position I'd be comfortable in with a helmet on. That's 75mm lower than the space I'd have in the mini with the roof chop, and only 5mm longer. So as long as the seat base with my weight squashing down on it isn't thicker than about 25mm, then I should have 50mm of head-room, which is about ideal really.
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froggy
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Jan 26, 2012 23:29:10 GMT
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I use Tillet style seats in my car which has the floor 4" above the bottom of the chassis. I would mock up with the seat in place and account for the roll cage tube at the top of the door and any door bars , see if you can get in and out with a helmet on as its a squeeze for me with a lid on due to the sides of the seats being quite high . I think you will struggle to take more than 2" out before having issues as I have less than 2" between the top of my lid and the roof .
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Jan 27, 2012 15:39:03 GMT
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Hi bud, we took 6" out of my mate's clubman roof, with a stock floorpan and there was no way on earth you could fit in with a lid on and a cage in it, what seat are you gonna use? Will you want it on rails? Y best bet imo is to use something like a kirkey ally seat and a floor mounted pedal box, that way you could have the seat tight to the floor, but your feet would be raised, would be very strange to drive, but you'd probly just fit in. Basicly you'd be workin the other way, with your below your feet! That's how I managed to fit myself into my 8" chopped and 6" channelled 34 coupe.
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RobinJI
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Jan 27, 2012 17:18:41 GMT
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Thanks for the responses guys.
Doozer, Were the seats still on top of the mounting beam that runs across the floor on your friends clubman? I'm not sure what sort of seat I'll be using, but it'll definitely be a fiberglass backed one, as cool as they can look, I don't find the kirkey ones anywhere near as comfy.
Froggy, getting in and out is a bit of a concern, as it's looking pretty tight with the door bars, luckily for the time being I'm reasonably young and slim, so should be able to manage it ok, I think the steering wheel's going to be the main obstacle, because I can't imagine the IVA people liking a removable wheel being the only way to get in/out. I'm only wanting to take a maximum of 40mm out of the roof, not much.
I'm home from uni this weekend, so I've just been out and measured the actual mini, to see how close my CAD drawings are. (I never intended the bodywork in the drawings to be anything more than a rough idea). It turns out I'd drawn the roof a little low. As it stands, with the floor moved, but the roof still standard, I've got 1050mm of height from the bottom of the floor structure (where the floor's skin will be) to the roof above the drivers head. So I've actually got 20mm more height than I'd realised.
I reckon the MGF's driving position gives a pretty good idea of what space I'll take up. In the MGF I think I'd be skimming the roof with a helmet with 890mm from the seat base to the roof, and the cockpit length is almost identical to the mini, so the angle of the seat is about right. With that in mind, this means that with 40mm taken out of the roof, I'll still have 120mm of height to play with, which should be plenty for the thickness of the seats base, while still allowing the 50mm headroom I'd need if I to get an MSA logbook, which I'm sure I'll want to do sooner or later.
I think that's pretty much it decided then, it'll most likely be getting the chop.
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RobinJI
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Cheers, I've seen one or two really small, low quality pictures of that one before, but it's cool to see decent ones. For some reason those pictures really give an idea of scale to these little wagons. The CAD drawings don't really give an idea of scale, the little 13's look huge on it, and I haven't seen it outside it's shelter in my garden in years, so I'd forgotten how diddy they are! I really cannot wait to finish uni and get on with it! I've spent the last few evenings redesigning the hubs and wishbones to make it super easy to switch between road and track geometry, and get the shocks mounted lower to help bring the CofG down a little more. Also drew up some wilwoods and my ideal wheels to check clearances. I'll get some pictures up in the build thread and link it to here in a bit
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RobinJI
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Feb 12, 2012 11:53:12 GMT
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I remember this from the past, probably of no use but thought it might be interesting. I am going to sound like my stepfather now, 'nothing new in motor cars' www.statim.co.uk/Minisprint.htm Colin
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RobinJI
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Feb 12, 2012 15:51:28 GMT
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Cheers, yeah, I do like sprints a lot, awesome little cars. I don't think I'd be dropping the roof anywhere near as much as they do.
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RobinJI
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Feb 14, 2012 23:04:31 GMT
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This is my current thinking for finding some space to lean the headrests back into. I'm not convinced at the moment, and if I can get away without doing it then I will, but it's just an idea at the moment. I've also re-designed the front end, which has gained another 25mm leg-room. The blue highlighted bit shows the front of the foot-well.
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Last Edit: Feb 14, 2012 23:05:20 GMT by RobinJI
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