dggp
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Dec 24, 2011 11:15:58 GMT
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hi all, i have another project i want to be getting on with, I'm doing a 2.0 ka on here as well and when thats finished ill sell it on to buy bits for this. plans so far are nice wheels, i may keep the paint exactly as it is as its pretty solid really, just scruffy. someone has started on the body work but i like the idea of keeping it as a scruffy sleeper. i want to use this as my daily driver as well. ill be going for a sleeper theme as i want to throw away the boat anchor and stick a new engine in. something already rwd thats fast, and that i can make fit. i was thinking nissan turbo or a bmw engine. maybe a vauxhall v6 but fancied something different and a bit exciting. any ideas or suggestions more than welcome
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Clement
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Dec 24, 2011 11:48:09 GMT
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Bookmarked Unfortunately I can't be any help, but I'll be following wih interest
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Dec 24, 2011 12:01:21 GMT
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What a great project!! I like all your suggestions, but be careful not to go too wild or then you'll need to upgrade the back axle as well, then if you do that, you might as well fit an LSD, then the brakes will need updated to suit the new power, oh then the suspension, and and and... then before you know it, you're into it for £12k, its nowhere near finished and on Gumtree K-series is a popular install and that would make it cheap to do, reliable and a lot of fun! Zetec is a good option too. All easy engines and cheap. Nissan turbo is brill, but I'd worry about the turbo torque on your back end maybe? All the best with it, looks fantastic and I can't wait to see what you come up with!!
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dggp
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Dec 24, 2011 13:51:04 GMT
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Id thought of a k series but apparently the bits are a nightmare to find to convert it to rwd. I have a t series in another car I'm selling i could use but again its finding the bits. I thought about the zetec as i was putting it in the ka but again the price of converting it to rwd i may as well start with one that is already done. If i could get near 200bhp id be happy, if i could make a beemer engine fit it would go and sound like i want, or a jag s type duratec v6 would be different Obviuosly ill be beefing up the brakes and suspension but hopefully the back end will take it. Hopefully...
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Dec 24, 2011 14:50:43 GMT
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MGB back axles are reknowned for being tough, so it should be able to take a fair bit of poke.
Having previously owned a 1972 MGB GT with standard boat anchor, I know how heavy the steering can be on these, so an alloy block engine is a good upgrade.
Mazda MX5 engine is apparently similar to the Ford Duratec.
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dggp
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Dec 24, 2011 15:27:42 GMT
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I had thought of an mx5 engine, it seems ideal if i was going for a fun reliable car that drives well, just not sure if it would satisfy me lol. I want something i can take to the track and not embarass myself with. Id rather embarass others with it I think the sr20det is probably the way to go for initial power and future upgrades, ill have my ka sorted out over the next 2 weeks so hopefully i can pull the engine on this in the mean time and start looking at buying a new engine at the end of jan.
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gn3dr
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Dec 24, 2011 17:36:23 GMT
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Bookmarked as well - (always difficult to search on here for MGB projects due to the three letter search thing - very annoying) The RWD bits for a K Series should be very easy to get either from Frontline (£££ ) or here www.jlhmorrisminors.co.uk/content/k_series.php or the bellhousing is available from Titan motorsport. I have a few MGB projects on the go as well - an MGB GT + 2 and a 1/2 MGB Roadsters. One is definitely going to be getting a K series - I have a 1.4 K + bellhousing + box + complete set up out of a K sereis engined Scimitar SS1 which I will fit but I want to upgrade to a 1.8 K in it's place. As was said already the K series is such a nice light engine it makes sense - and there is tons of info out there on fitting it. One of the others is going to be getting full MX5 running gear including front and rear subframes and suspension. I might actually go with the Mx5 suspesnion on all of them. Looking forward to updates. A few other potential engines - Zetec SE from a Puma - good power available from these. Or a KV6 maybe - keeping it in the MG family!
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Last Edit: Dec 24, 2011 17:38:35 GMT by gn3dr
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Dec 24, 2011 23:26:59 GMT
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Can't remember who did it, but I did see a few years back that someone fitted the Honda 2.7 V6 into a Midget (out of an Rover 827) and it was snug, but went in OK.
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ChasR
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Dec 24, 2011 23:51:03 GMT
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Id thought of a k series but apparently the bits are a nightmare to find to convert it to rwd. I have a t series in another car I'm selling I could use but again its finding the bits. I thought about the zetec as I was putting it in the ka but again the price of converting it to rwd I may as well start with one that is already done. If I could get near 200bhp id be happy, if I could make a beemer engine fit it would go and sound like I want, or a jag s type duratec v6 would be different Obviuosly ill be beefing up the brakes and suspension but hopefully the back end will take it. Hopefully... Suspension upgrades and brake upgrades will not be particularly cheap (but starting off with a Chrome bumper gets you off to a headstart IMO . I would be looking at a K Series myself if I was doing it again. Or a stock CA18DET. Have you driven a 'B with a V8? Even in stock form it makes them more 'entertaining' . Otherwise, how about turbocharging a 'B unit using Metro/Montego Turbo bits? As for the heavy steering it is more to do with the castor on them. Frontline do a kit (with wedges to insert between the body and crossmember) which reduce the castor angle and make the steering lighter. IMHO (after working alot on one) I would say the Duratec V6 is out of the question. A lovely engine it is but it works best in FWD orientation unless you don't mind throwing money at it (where other V6s/V8s would make more sense to fit). The water pump is on the flywheel side of the engine for starters (driven off a inlet camshaft via a belt) and it is not what I would call a slim engine (putting exhaust manifolds on a stock V8 is interesting enough unless you cut the inner wings).
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Last Edit: Dec 24, 2011 23:52:58 GMT by ChasR
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dggp
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Dec 25, 2011 10:04:43 GMT
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Yeah fair point on the duratec, as the s type is rwd i thought it might be a starter but i want to do it as cheap as possible, if i have to keep throwing money at it ill never finish it, that was the thinking with finding something allready rwd and not having to convert it. i was leaning more towards the nissan engine, i reckon its as cheap picking up an engine and box off the bay that way than it is buying the flywheel and bellhousing for the k series, Thats where i was going with the beemer engine as well, whole cars fetch £4-500! Quid although i imagine that would be tight lol I don't mind cutting the inner wings, its my car and i saved it from being scrapped so ive got no problems with my conscience I'm not going v8, i have yet another project I'm doing on an old jag which i want a v8 for.
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Dec 25, 2011 13:52:52 GMT
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My mate has a nissan 200 s13 engine, gearbox, loom and all the bits for it to run
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Alfa 155 2.0 16v, Alfa 155 white v6 skinny,White widebody 20vt more bhp project, Alfa 155 Q4 soon to be repaired
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Dec 25, 2011 14:14:18 GMT
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I reckon a 2.3 Saab 9000 Turbo engine with a massive Holsett turbocharger would do it... easy 500bhp without even having to upgrade the crank and pistons...
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dggp
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Dec 25, 2011 21:24:29 GMT
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Sweet, How much does your mate want for it? And how far from brum is he? And 500bhp sat on the floors ive welded in... No thanks lol. Maybe on my next project, nah, seriously i reckon anything over 200 horses in this old girl would be dangerous. I'm doing small (read cheap) upgrades to suspension and breaking so itll still be scary as hell as it is
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luckygti
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Dec 25, 2011 23:33:26 GMT
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Man, that is a great looking car. I think it'll look brilliant with that paint, as for engine options, I really like the sound of any decent engine going in there. I would love to have another (I had a rubber bumper GT years ago) and think the full running gear from an MX5 would be brilliant. Supercharged as well. Would be a rocket ship
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morrx
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G'day
I have always thought that the B GT would go very well with a turbo 13B out of a series 5 RX7. 150kw(200hp) in standard tune, RWD and very smooth. The rotary is good for old suspension set ups as the power comes with the revs so dose not over whelm the cart springs. I have a non turbo 13B in my Morris Minor and recon they would improve any car, smooth progressive power all the way to 7000rpm.
Good luck with what ever you choose.
Cheers Graham
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Sven
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ill be going for a sleeper theme as I want to throw away the boat anchor and stick a new engine in. something already rwd thats fast, and that I can make fit. I was thinking nissan turbo or a bmw engine. maybe a vauxhall v6 but fancied something different and a bit exciting. any ideas or suggestions more than welcome Here's an unusual idea, a Nissan 350Z motor. RWD, manual tranny, light, very powerful and fits in some small spaces. My mate is building a Locost with one. Just make sure you get the ECU, 'fly by wire' gas pedal, key and full starter switch to avoid problems with the immobilizer. -Steve
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dggp
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Dec 26, 2011 11:13:50 GMT
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I hadnt even considered a 13b to be honest, i don't know much about them but may do a bit of research
The other engine i was thinking of was a toyota one out of an an old rear wheel drive celica. Same engine as the AE86 corolla which just sounds awesome although isnt as powerful as the nissan turbo
I hadnt thought of the 350z engine, a quick search on the bay and its about £1500 for the engine alone, it sounds awesome but it depends on how much i can sell my ka for
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Sven
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Dec 26, 2011 22:55:18 GMT
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I took some measurements of the 350Z engine today and it's pretty tall (27") but it's nicely short at 21". I had thought about one in my MX5 which burns about half a pint of oil a week.
The transmission/shifter is 5' from the crank pully so it's about 6" rearward of where my MX5 shifter comes out. Might be a struggle to get one in a MGB anyway. The sump is also pretty flat and would require pretty extensive modification (or scratch build) of the front cross member. I think it'll fit nicely in my Volvo 240 though.
A Mazda MX5 engine and gearbox would fit well and it's been done a few times. FWIW, the MX5 engine has a rear sump.
-Steve
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Last Edit: Dec 26, 2011 22:56:13 GMT by Sven
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Dec 26, 2011 23:03:39 GMT
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There was a factory project with the O Series so a T Series would be a natural development of that. AFAIK the Prima diesel (it's self based on the O Series) powered LDV would donate a suitable 5 speed LT77 gearbox or at least the bellhousing if ratios / gear lever postition not right. BTW the very late rubber bumper cars all had V8 style bodyshells so make good donors for bulkhead modification panels, steering shafts, crossmembers etc if you want to follow the tried and tested route for V8 transplant upgrades even if you fit a 4 banger.
Paul H
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