will930
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Oct 17, 2011 17:39:51 GMT
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i have indeed put it up for sale but i would like to make it work and maybe remove it from sale, the idea was a cheap and quick winter runner... but as the problems start to pile up on me its becoming expensive and money i don't have.... i was wondering if theres anyone thats local who would be able to give me a hand? ill offer good quality beer money and biscuits for all help given and if you can pop over, over the weekend will be great! if you can offer any help I'm in kt7 0aq my problem is I'm so short tempered and have no patients i get annoyed and get put down easily! please help a person in need!  |
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will930
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Oct 17, 2011 18:00:52 GMT
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pleaseeeeeeee *ill cry*
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Oct 17, 2011 19:06:53 GMT
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It might help if you told us a bit more info other than it won't start.
Firstly, what engine and year is it?
Does it turn over at all and if so is the battery strong?
Can you actually get it to start at all even if it runs badly?
What happened prior to the problem(s), was everything ok and then it just stopped?
Fill us in with some details and we might be able to help.
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will930
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Oct 17, 2011 22:23:10 GMT
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right, before i started work on it, it would start okish.... but can be understood its been stood for a while and with a service and use it would be much better! however whenever i took it upto engine temperature it wouldnt idle very well if not at all!
saturday i warmed the car up and put a can of engine flush in and sat there holding it at a happy recomended rpm for the recomended 15minutes, then proceeded with draining the oil, changed the filter, and replaced the drain plug and washer.... also saturday i pulled off parts that i wanted to change such as the dizzy cap, leads, rotor, etc etc, i had already put my new spark plugs in...
one snag here when i was in unity the other day he told me the timing belt has two options on teeth, so i thought id try and pop it off too, so i removed the plastic cover, and thought ah the bottom pulley must have to come off, firstly had a go at it and the engine spun (blonde moment)
had my girlfrind hold the top pulley with a spanner and then i heard a twang, and it didnt seem to naffect anything, proceeded with it in gear and the missus foot on the brake, got the centre bolt off and couldnt get the pulley to shift at all! may have slightly bent it but thats the least of me worries, and still to no effect so put the bolt back in and the belt back on for the alternator.
so today i finished off by filling the oil, and replacing the parts, and bought a condensor and points and went asbout to try and fit them, striped the dizzy and found they didnt have them at all, so put the dizzy back together as it came apart with some nightmares with the springs in the bottom, put it back together following my marks for the timing, connected the new dizzy cap, rotor arm and the ht leads, i thought great can start it up.... started well but a misfire so i thought ah timing so i slacked off the bolts and fiddled the timing better and it didnt get better at asll and had no effect.
also flushed out the cooling system and filled it up with a new thermostat... and nothing....
not sure where ive gone wrong, maybe when i heard the twang the belt slipped a tooth, but i cannot get the pulley off to check it properly! and because of this I'm stuck
its a 1.3 Golf C 1986
hope you guys can help me, now with more info
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Oct 18, 2011 10:31:59 GMT
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That twang was definately not good and very probably the belt slipping, do not attempt to start it anymore, you may bent (or you may already have) a valve. Furthermore, are you sure you connected the HT leads the right way round? And fitted the distributor correctly? It's very easy to get this wrong.
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Oct 18, 2011 11:07:59 GMT
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It des sound as though the timing belt has slipped. I could drop in at the weekend if you like. I don't know VW engines as such, but know my way round engines reasonably well and have done a timing belt before.
Do you have a Haynes book of lies for it?
Petrol and beer money would be much appreciated. ;D
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will930
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Oct 18, 2011 12:35:49 GMT
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no i do not have a haynes of lies, but help will deffinately be very much appreciative,
if the twang was right it should hopefully have only slipped one tooth, and i put the distributer back together right, maybe i need to pull it apart again and double check it!
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Oct 18, 2011 12:39:39 GMT
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Putting the dizzy back together wrong might cause the advance mech to be out of spec, but that would only cause lack of power rather than lack of starting/misfiring.
My money is on slipped cambelt and/or incorrectly fitted plug leads.
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will930
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Oct 18, 2011 12:43:28 GMT
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well ill double check tomorrow, around fixing my broken top mount on the micra, but ill check the plug leads, and inside the dizzy right at the bottom there were springs which are slightly different, I'm thinking maybe swap them over as i may have got it wrong, i don't want to fork out for a new dizzy! specially for a 130k engine
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Oct 18, 2011 14:46:14 GMT
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You don't need to undo the bottom pulley bolt to do the belt on these - the outer pulley (the one for the alt belt) is held on with 4 allen bolts giving you access to the cam belt.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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will930
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Oct 18, 2011 18:17:36 GMT
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I couldnt undo the allen bolts at all without nearly rounding them off! How could i straighten up the pulley?
Also help will still be apreciated
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will930
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Oct 18, 2011 19:03:49 GMT
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bumpo
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Oct 18, 2011 19:37:30 GMT
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yeah, the rounding off is normal  Use heat/molegrips/chisel/hammer a spline bit into the beggars and then fit new bolts. To check the allignment, put the mark on the bottom pulley to the pointer on the oil pump. Cam pulley lines up with the pointer on the back cover. It's worth bearing in mind that this engine uses the water pump to tension the timing belt so you often end up needing a water pump as well during a timing belt change, and also that it IS an interference engine so may have done damage. Having said that, if it's only slipped a couple of teeth you might have been lucky. PDF of the golf/jetta mk2 haynes manual can be had from here |
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will930
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Oct 18, 2011 19:46:46 GMT
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thanks for that mate, after inspection the belt is completely fine and doesnt need changing, wont change it if it doent need doing!
however retiming i think is a must at the mo, ill look in the haynes and i shall get onit!....
also i think molgrips and swearing is my only option as i have no heat lol
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Oct 18, 2011 19:51:38 GMT
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If the timing is out and the belt has jumped I would seriously recommend changing it because it will be damaged and won't last very long (and losing a belt on a running engine is a sure way to wreck it)
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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will930
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Oct 18, 2011 20:10:13 GMT
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yeah had it on my dads pug 406, ive just been locking through the haynes manual and it doesnt say about the timing that i can see! doesnt make sense!
i just need to try and get the damn pulley off and maybe, just maybe it will be worth my while
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will930
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Oct 18, 2011 20:27:41 GMT
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my bad its in the pre86 section and i think i have a better understanding of it all now! but these methods of holding parts confuse me as i don't have them or the equipment to make them! |
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Oct 18, 2011 21:09:59 GMT
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you can ignore all the locking stuff, you don't need it. Jack up the drivers side front, take the wheel and the plastic cover off. (axle stand...) Line the two pulleys up with the marks, get the outside pulley, front cover and the engine mount out of the way (jack under the sump to hold the engine), loosen the waterpump and pull the belt off. Refitting is, as they say, the reverse of removal  |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Oct 18, 2011 22:06:28 GMT
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I think theres a moral in this story somewhere,I tell my wife this a lot too.If you don't know what your doing leave it to someone that does!!!.Please don't get me wrong and i don't mean to sound harsh but it would have been far easier for someone to help you with the problem before you started tinkering and could have even been down to a simple engine temp sensor/choke sensor. All the best in fixing it as i have had many mk2's and have a massive soft spot for them.I did and still am contemplating having it off you |
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will930
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Oct 18, 2011 22:16:55 GMT
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well if i can fix her up as a useable winter hack i shall maybe look into keeping it! however if i cant get it going then yes it has to go.... it wasnt so much i don't know what I'm doing it was more of a no haynes and jumping into the deep end!
don't i still need to get the end pulley off though to remove the plastic cover off from around the bottom crank timing pulley?
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Use heat/molegrips/chisel/hammer a spline bit into the beggars and then fit new bolts. To check the allignment, put the mark on the bottom pulley to the pointer on the oil pump. Cam pulley lines up with the pointer on the back cover.