Seth
South East
MorrisOxford TriumphMirald HillmanMinx BorgwardIsabellaCombi
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Aug 13, 2006 22:45:44 GMT
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In my opinion anything is barry if: a) It takes less than 30mins to fit and requires all the mechanical skills of Duplo b) Has dubious legality c) Is fitted because it's part of some fashion or tradition or simply because others do it Actually, put it like that and you're spot-on. But then bolting up a set of subtly banded rims to a Mk1 'Tina would fall foul of your theories. ;D But surely if that was the case almost anything ever done to any car is Barry? There is very little that hasn't been done before. Bolting any different wheels on? Takes little time and doesn't need much mechanical knowledge. Dubious legality? Like, erm, too wide rims, tyre stretch (not my cup of tea but hey, whatever! ) scrub lines etc.? As far as the fashion question goes my take on things is that following current fashion is probably barry but following out moded fashions is much less likely to be. Also I don't think barry types know the term tradition?
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Last Edit: Aug 13, 2006 22:48:53 GMT by Seth
Follow your dreams or you might as well be a vegetable.
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Aug 13, 2006 23:00:00 GMT
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Oh come on, the whole retro thing is a fashion to many. It's a case of wanting to be different, just like all the other different people ;D If you are limited in what you do to a car by not doing what others have done in the past you'd not be left with many options! By your definition fitting a monster body kit and a making "bad boy" bonnet would be in no way barry but installing a set of full reverse wire wheels and a chain steering wheel on a lowrider would
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1962 Datsun Bluebird Estate - 1971 Datsun 510 SSS - 1976 Datsun 710 SSS - 1981 Dodge van - 1985 Nissan Cherry Europe GTi - 1988 Nissan Prairie - 1990 Hyundai Pony Pickup - 1992 Mazda MX5
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Rob
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Aug 13, 2006 23:41:22 GMT
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at the end of the day - regardless of what you do or how long it takes to do (what!?) - its DOING IT that counts.
ok, flat paint - it's easier to make presentable than gloss paint - Bazza?
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MWF
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I do think that sticking a set of alloys/steels/wires to a car without lowering it is total barry too. As is fitting a particular style just because everyone else likes them and they are the ones to have.
I would say anything ill conceived and dysfunctional is pretty barry too so that includes heavy ugly fibreglass body kits, bad boy bonnets, over-stretched tyres and chopping springs.
And as for doing things for the sake of doing something, that's the whole barry modus operandi isn't it?
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I would say anything ill conceived and dysfunctional is pretty barry too so that includes heavy ugly fibreglass body kits, bad boy bonnets, over-stretched tyres and chopping springs. And as for doing things for the sake of doing something, that's the whole barry modus operandi isn't it? Wahey,.. my car is Barry .... Chopped springs,.. for the sake of it... Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee Barry.
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MWF
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Chopped springs are ilegal and dangerous. If you are going to lower a car you should do it properlly.
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Chopped springs are ilegal and dangerous. If you are going to lower a car you should do it properlly. No they are not,.. and no they are not. But thanks for playing,... I hope you can hear us up on that high horse of yours.
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Chopped springs are ilegal and dangerous. If you are going to lower a car you should do it properlly. Illegal? Are you sure? This wouldn't be a deliberately inflammatory statement so that we all start getting het up over chopping again, whilst you stand back giggling to yourself?
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Aug 14, 2006 10:04:39 GMT
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Oh my god not the B word again! I thought the blue dots were part of the hot rod scene, and a traditional mod to give crappy old tech lights and bulbs a bit more glow so dopey 'modern' car drivers can see them a bit better as well as being a bit of a trick add on.
We do a lot of style (not fashion most of the time) concious mods here, its kind of a creative way of motoring IMO, specially a lot of the RR crew here and the ideas we turn to reality.
We're not all performance heads and thats quite refreshing in this day n age.
I agree what maggot says in away, 'retro scene' (cringe) is kind of a part evolution of the custom scene, but i do believe we all have different reasons lo like old cars, not just cos of the Media though.
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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MWF
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Aug 14, 2006 10:06:21 GMT
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Chopped springs are ilegal and dangerous. If you are going to lower a car you should do it properlly. Illegal? Are you sure? This wouldn't be a deliberately inflammatory statement so that we all start getting het up over chopping again, whilst you stand back giggling to yourself? If the spring doesn't seat correctly in the suspension turret, i.e rests on the point you've cut it at because the top is not flat then it is ilegal and dangerous. If the spring is cut short so it can become free from it's location (particulary bad on trailing arms) then again, ilegal and dangerous. It's not exactly out of this world or uber-expensive to buy a set of correctly made or custom made springs with the correct rate and progressive winding. It's just the difference between bodging something on the cheap for the sake of making a car look a certain way or doing it properlly because you care about the safety, handing and ride quality.
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MWF
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Aug 14, 2006 10:09:16 GMT
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Oh my god not the B word again! I thought the blue dots were part of the hot rod scene, and a traditional mod to give crappy old tech lights and bulbs a bit more glow so dopey 'modern' car drivers can see them a bit better as well as being a bit of a trick add on. We do a lot of style (not fashion most of the time) concious mods here, its kind of a creative way of motoring IMO, specially a lot of the RR crew here and the ideas we turn to reality. I don't see anything wrong with the mod done to achieve the very reasons mentioned. But sticking them on a more modern car simply because 'that's what hot-rodders did' is totally uncreative imo.
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Aug 14, 2006 10:10:39 GMT
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Illegal? Are you sure? This wouldn't be a deliberately inflammatory statement so that we all start getting het up over chopping again, whilst you stand back giggling to yourself? If the spring doesn't seat correctly in the suspension turret, i.e rests on the point you've cut it at because the top is not flat then it is ilegal and dangerous. If the spring is cut short so it can become free from it's location (particulary bad on trailing arms) then again, ilegal and dangerous. It's not exactly out of this world or uber-expensive to buy a set of correctly made or custom made springs with the correct rate and progressive winding. It's just the difference between bodging something on the cheap for the sake of making a car look a certain way or doing it properlly because you care about the safety, handing and ride quality. Hang on...One post says they're illegal.....The next says they're not. Nobody on here is an advocate of lopping off a couple of coils and leaving it at that. I've only ever seen discussions about chopped springs stress how important it is to ensure that the spring is correctly seated and located. A chopped spring that locates correctly in the spring cup and does not unseat on full-drop (wired to the cup, anyone?) is neither unsafe nor illegal. *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Aug 14, 2006 10:18:35 GMT
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If the spring doesn't seat correctly in the suspension turret, i.e rests on the point you've cut it at because the top is not flat then it is ilegal and dangerous. If the spring is cut short so it can become free from it's location (particulary bad on trailing arms) then again, ilegal and dangerous. It's not exactly out of this world or uber-expensive to buy a set of correctly made or custom made springs with the correct rate and progressive winding. It's just the difference between bodging something on the cheap for the sake of making a car look a certain way or doing it properlly because you care about the safety, handing and ride quality. Wow,.. with every post you are getting more and more wrong,.. is that a skill you've developed over time or does it come naturally. The springs on the datsun are cut in such a way that they rest back in the cups properly. The length of travel of cup is limited by a fan belt cut to the correct length being securly attatched to the top and bottom cups, so the spring can't fall out. This can be done with a seatbelt, or a you can attatch the spring to the cup itself with ties of some sort. For added safety you can take a blow torch to the last coil of the spring and apply pressure so you flatten it. I've got the safety aspect covered, the ride quality is enough that it wasn't uncomfortable on two long motorway trips. Which leaves the performance aspect... which I'll worry about when I have more than 70bhp to play with. So how exactly is it a Barry mod ?? Or that another of your totally inacurrate statements?
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MWF
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Aug 14, 2006 10:31:43 GMT
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I don't think there's any need to get personal HoTWire.
My point only is that there's a quick bodge way of doing things and a correct way. That's mainly a personal opinion and I certainly don't expect everyone to share it.
I certainly respect those who've gone to the efforts to try and make chopped springs safer, however wouldn't feel that safe with fan belts holding my springs in place personally. I'd only feel safe knowing the springs are correctly matched for the application and made by a proffesional.
As I've already mentioned I drive a car many would define as barry in the extreme and modifying cars in the first place is barry to some. I'm aware of that. Those who think that are entitled to their views and I can respect why they may have them.
I'd also understand it if someone big into their track days crisitised my springs and dampers as not being a waste of time on the track. I can accept the critisisms and see if from the other point of view.
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Aug 14, 2006 10:37:34 GMT
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So lets get this straight, you wouldn't feel safe with chopped springs.. but chopped springs are
a) not illegal b) not an MOT fail c) not unsafe.
so why should your point about things being "barry"* be taken seriously?
It's fine to criticise, but you said my car is not road worthy and illegal, which I find rather offensive.
* a ridiculous cop out word that I hate which essentially means "things I don't like"
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phatphord
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Aug 14, 2006 10:53:04 GMT
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Righty...can everyone just breathe a little bit... Blue dots will look right on some applications and not on others. Whether the person who fits them to thier car actually gives a wibblepoo about what other people think is up to them. If they're happy,fine. If you're not happy,then thats your opinion and you deal with it. Categorising any modifications or customisations (two different things) into little sectors or scenes is worthless. You do what you do to whats' yours because YOU get it. Some way along the line YOU have seen stuff that has inspired you to look at something slightly differently and see the potential where others may not. That surely is the point,to be individual; because no matter what styles or influences you draw from,it's YOU thats doing it and so it's inherent that the outcome will be unique. In answer to the post,blue dots should be easy to find,they turn up on the bay every now and then,or go to one of the companies mentioned.
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MWF
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Aug 14, 2006 11:05:24 GMT
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So lets get this straight, you wouldn't feel safe with chopped springs.. but chopped springs are a) not illegal b) not an MOT fail c) not unsafe. so why should your point about things being "barry"* be taken seriously? It's fine to criticise, but you said my car is not road worthy and illegal, which I find rather offensive. I would indeed doubt the road worthyness of any car where the owner has hacked away part of the springs. How can you be assured that it's not unsafe? I respect that in your opinion you feel it's safe and admire you have made efforts with regard to safety. But what judgement have you made to deem the safety? That people on forum say it will be ok? That other people do it? That visually the car will pass an MOT? That you drove down the road and it felt ok? For me that's not good enough and I can assure you if the worst happened (and I truely hope it doesn't) and the investigators found you cut your springs up I think you'll find they will be very unsafe and very ilegal in the eyes of the law.
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filmidget
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Aug 14, 2006 11:20:06 GMT
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This chopped springs tangent is turning into a bit of a red herring (err... you know what I mean).
I think it can be agreed that: 1) Badly chopped springs COULD be illegal 2) 'Properly' chopped springs aren't illegal, but COULD be less safe than standard 3) Chopped springs COULD give inferior ride/handling to 'proper' aftermarket springs 4) Chopped springs COULD be legal, safe and give perfectly acceptable (for intended use) ride/handling
Yes?
Why MWF's accuracy on chopped springs has any relevance to his opinion on what constitutes 'Barry' I don't understand? If anything there have been people trying to define 'Barry' instead of just leaving it as another term for "things I don't like", implying that things could be classified as 'Barry' but they still like them!
In that out the way, I agree with MWF - blue dots do seem period/retro/whatever 'barry'. Doesn't mean a thing though!
Skip 30/40 years - 'the kids' start fitting there electric cars with fake DTM exhaust pipes, and LED washer jets - retro cool or 'barry'?
I also agree with Phatphord - who gives a f***? Do what you like - somebody will always love it, and somebody will always hate it...
This forum seems at times at risk of aquiring inverse-blinkers...
EDIT: 'at risk' added to previosu line, and add that can't agree with MWF's last post regarding illegality...
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Last Edit: Aug 14, 2006 11:23:53 GMT by filmidget
'79 MG Midget 1500 - Still patiently awaiting attention '02 Vauxhall Astra 1.8 Elegance(!) - Better than you might think '03 Mazda MX5 - All new and shiny looking (thanks to Antony at Rust Republic) '09 Renault Clio - Needs to go.
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Aug 14, 2006 11:32:54 GMT
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Chopping springs is the same as fitting shortened springs from a manufactuerer except that the rid is harsher and more uncomfortable. So if cut springs are illegal and unsafe, so are all the shortened springs you can buy, and thousands of people run cars with those on. In that out the way, I agree with MWF - blue dots do seem period/retro/whatever 'barry'. This whole "barry" thing is nonsense though. Blue dots arn't "barry", they are possibly a lazy modification. I find phrases like "barry" and "chav" really really really annoying.
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Last Edit: Aug 14, 2006 11:34:31 GMT by HoTWire
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Aug 14, 2006 11:44:36 GMT
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Who gives a stuff i agree strongly with about the blue dots. quite like em myself.
retro-barry as in dell boy capri kind of way if thats what it is, is cool too, just cos its so ironic now!
Still say ts more an hot rod thing.
Safety is a serious issue though and i can't comment but it is cool some of the lowering mods i see her and around other sites
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it doesn't matter if it's a Morris Marina or a Toyota Celica - it's what you do with it that counts
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