dubwarrior2
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Sept 25, 2011 14:40:51 GMT
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I'm not really happy about the amount of oil that in my inlet pipes. I'm not sure if its coming from breather pipe or from turbo. In order to try and find out and reduce the amount, I'm thinking of fitting a catch tank.
Does anybody here have one fitted and if so, has it made any difference?
While I understand the basics of how they work, I am wondering the following-
On the standard VW breather system, is the surplus oil sucked out of the valve cover by the inlet pressure/vaccuum?
What I want to know is, can I just have a pipe going into the catch tank from the valve cover or do I need the second pipe that goes back to the inlet pipe?
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Sept 25, 2011 15:05:17 GMT
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if it's non-intercooled, and you've disabled the EGR valve (if it has one??) Then it's really not going to make all that much difference
If it's intercooled, the extra oil film buildup can reduce the intercoolers efficiency after a long time. If it still has the EGR system enabled, the soot mixes with the oilly mist, and turns to sludge. Only have one or the other, don't try to have both (hint: get shot of the EGR system!)
The crankcase pressure itself pushes out the oilly mist via the breathers, and on a TD, the turbo will indeed "suck" the excess pressure out of the crankcase, and it will actually burn the oilly mist rather nicely.
On a petrol, the oilly mist just reduces the effective octane of the fuel, on a diesel, it just makes the inside of the pipes a bit grotty
A catch-tank WILL NOT remove the oilly mist from the breathers output, they're actually meant to catch any large amounts of oil encountered during hard cornering, when it finds its' way out of the breather pipes. Most modern engines don't have this problem, due to well-designed breathers
But if you like the way they look, fit one on the pipe that feeds the breathers into the intake manifold. After several hundred miles, you may get a small amount of condensed fluid, but not much else
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dubwarrior2
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"Open up, its the filth"
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Sept 25, 2011 18:46:47 GMT
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Hi and thanks Its non-intercooled. I have already blanked off the EGR, preventing any exhaust nastiness getting back into the system and gave the EGR a good clean out. It was properly filthy inside.
I was just a bit alarmed at how much oil is in the inlet pipes. I know that all TDIs get oil in the inlet system, but I don't see why it should be acceptable. The engine is built to run on diesel and air not oil. I just want to get it to run a bit healthier and figured eliminating the oil might help it breathe a bit easier.
Also the inlet pipe has a MAP sensor in it (MASS AIR PRESSURE) that measures boost from the turbo (I think) and surely being coated in oil will effect the way it works and ECU readings.
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Sept 25, 2011 19:15:31 GMT
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My Peugeot Expert 2.0HDi is suffering from similar problem. It's comming from the turbo when "on boost" and not the breather. Simple case to rebuild turbo but if left the engine will eventually run on the engine oil until it seizes etc. In that situation turning off the ignition does nothing - you have to stall it. Better to sort out the problem as a matter of priority than add a catch tank. My symptoms are visible when accelerating hard at any speed so turbo kicks in as there is clouds of black smoke (overfueling as the engine is burning it's oil). An OBD code reader diagnostic check showed nothing.
Paul H
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Sept 25, 2011 20:52:31 GMT
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My estima has a slightly oval bore on one cylinder and it suffers from terrible crankcase compression, to the point where it was pushing oil past the crank seals and belching out smoke everywhere. I stuck a catch can on and problem solved, no more leaks and no more smoke. The only slight downside is it does tend to smell a bit in traffic if youve got the windows open.
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R.S. Autotech. Servicing/Repairs/Diagnostics.
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Sept 25, 2011 21:17:25 GMT
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not quite sure on your logic, of assuming a catch-can on the breather pipes, will cure an ovalled bore? (quite possibly something else going on instead) ah well, as long as it works though eh? and FYI, MAP = manifold absolute pressure This will normally have some from of diaphragm, which is then pushed against the sensor. Specifically made to stop oil/petrol destroying the sensitive electronics.
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You're like a crazy backyard genius!
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Sept 25, 2011 21:53:28 GMT
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I'm not saying its cured the oval bore, its cured the symptoms is all i was trying to say, as in it doesnt smoke or leak oil anymore.
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R.S. Autotech. Servicing/Repairs/Diagnostics.
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tome30
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Sept 26, 2011 9:37:26 GMT
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