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Sept 18, 2011 14:01:49 GMT
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Hello, before I even ask I know this may or may not cause a catastrophe , but I am stuck in this situation, basically I have my '64 corsair , and am getting it MOT ready. I had to replace the track rod ends as to be honest, and the bushes in the tca's. the split pin was the original pin from nearly 50 years ago!!! so you can imigine it didnt come out, now I am stuck with this scenerio, do I waste my time and drill it out ? or can I use a nyloc nut to replace the castle nut and split pin? EDIT: btw i mean the actual castle nut on the anti rollbar too will this be fine? I'm not an mot tester hence the question and from what I read so far it seems right as it is a form of locking device. What should I do guys?  |
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Last Edit: Sept 18, 2011 14:31:23 GMT by slammage
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Sept 18, 2011 14:15:20 GMT
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My car has nylocs on the TREs, and passes it's MOT without any trouble - you should be absolutely fine.
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Sept 18, 2011 14:32:37 GMT
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brilliant thats what i will be using on the TRE's but what about on the anti roll bar the big castle nut that hold the TCA and ARB ,can that be replace with a nyloc? as again 50 year old split pin, does not want to budge .. thanks again
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Aydena
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Sept 18, 2011 14:33:25 GMT
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The guy i use for my MOT's said that any locking device will suffice whether it be a Nyloc/split pin and even Loctite ! which i thought was a bit odd as you cant always see loctite !
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Sept 18, 2011 14:39:07 GMT
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awsome on to ebay and buying quality nyloc nuts now!  out of interest another Q (I'm 18 and learning at same time while working and studying lol) but with regards to track rod ends, when I used a nyloc on one last time when it got to finger tight it didnt want to tighten up any more and the ball joint was rotating with the nut not tighitng up. now this wasnt a new nut so was it because it was a used one it didnt want to play ball,and would it be the same scenario with a new nyloc? i know the thread are 3/8 so the threads are correct I was just experimenting, I heard you got to make sure all threads are clean and a smidge of copper grease is applied , is this correct to make sure they will work and be nice and tight? sorry for the aboslute novice question there but I got to learn somehow hey :/ |
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Last Edit: Sept 18, 2011 14:40:32 GMT by slammage
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Sept 18, 2011 15:03:57 GMT
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Yes, that is normal - the nylon distorts to lock the thread, so ti gets harder to turn.
To get the nut all the way up the thread and tightened, you need to push the TRE into the steering arm, and hold it in while tightening. This seats the taper and provides enough friction to stop the thread from spinning. Sometimes it's easier to use something as a lever - the TRE nuts on my car are on the top of the steering arm, and I use a length of wood pivoting against the suspension to hold the taper in place.
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Sept 18, 2011 15:11:45 GMT
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ahh ok sounds familiar with the old fords the postions, i will give that go hopefully will work, thanks for all the advise and tips everyone, just finding the right thread nuts and ordering them in |
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bl1300
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Sept 18, 2011 15:56:57 GMT
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Which way do your track rod ends attach from above or from below?
If they attach from below just use a trolley jack to push the rod end up so that the nut can be done up. If from above a scissor jack between it and something solid above it is helpfull.
Re the nyloc you should find that the effect is more so with a new nyloc. Holding a bolt in hand youd be lucky to do it up by hand even then.
Lots of modern cars and some retros use them from new as well so cant see them being a problem. Its also not very difficult to drill out an old split pin with something like a dremel. A pin drift and hammer would also get it out most likely
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Sept 18, 2011 16:10:16 GMT
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Which way do your track rod ends attach from above or from below? If they attach from below just use a trolley jack to push the rod end up so that the nut can be done up. If from above a scissor jack between it and something solid above it is helpfull. Re the nyloc you should find that the effect is more so with a new nyloc. Holding a bolt in hand youd be lucky to do it up by hand even then. Lots of modern cars and some retros use them from new as well so cant see them being a problem. Its also not very difficult to drill out an old split pin with something like a dremel. A pin drift and hammer would also get it out most likely one side is from below and the other end is sideways if that makes any sense? so will scissor jack the sideways one i guess and trolley the other, thanks for that tip fella |
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bortaf
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Sept 18, 2011 16:53:25 GMT
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I've found that most nylocks are metric and castle nust threads are UNF?
on my cortina i couldn't swap nuts as the threads were differant but that could have been an OE verses patten problem ? i just drilled the split pin out, easy cos the pins are soft compaired to the TRE thread.
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Sept 18, 2011 17:10:30 GMT
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well just bought some 3/8 UNF nyloc so they will definatly fit the TRE just got to sort the ones out for th ARB, could drill out the pin in the arb, but cannot find it at all in the ARB so I'm unsure about that one atm ?
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bl1300
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Sept 18, 2011 18:15:42 GMT
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Deffo UNF nylocs fitted to my triumph
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Current fleet.
1967 DAF 44
1974 VW Beetle 1303s
1975 Triumph Spitfire MkIV
1988 VW LT45 Beavertail
1998 Volvo V70 2.5
1959 Fordson Dexta
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Sept 18, 2011 19:14:46 GMT
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I have to do this on my capri after i changed the steering rack and the split pins had rusted away. i went to a nut suppliers and found they are M10 nuts but with a 1mm fine thread. I have had to order a pack from ebay.
They are currently secured with the old nuts and threadlock and they passed the mot fine.
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Sept 18, 2011 21:29:00 GMT
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Nylocs are a much better solution than crummy split pins anyway. Jump to it!
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Sept 18, 2011 21:55:08 GMT
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Nylocs are a much better solution than crummy split pins anyway. Jump to it! Unless you are one of those originality freaks |
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Sept 19, 2011 10:12:23 GMT
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Hi, l've used these in the past good quality stainless nuts and bolt metric and imperial and there is no min quantity so you don't have to buy 12 just to use 1  www.westfieldfasteners.co.uk/ |
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