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Aug 21, 2011 13:55:49 GMT
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As the title states really, which is the easier one to fit into a mk3 capri,
car is currently a 2.0 so i know i need a 2.8 xmember and engine mounts but then i'm not sure which is the easiest engine to fit,
any help will be appreciated.
thanks
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1994 BMW 525i touring
2004 BMW Z4 sorn and broken
1977 Ford Escort
1982 Ford Capri getting restored
1999 Mazda B2500 daily driver.
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mk2cossie
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Aug 21, 2011 14:01:25 GMT
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to fit either engine is the same, the wiring on the BOB is trickier, as theres more ecu gumph with them. and the BOB ecu doesnt like not having an autobox connected either  most BOB conversions use BOA wiring and ecu, and use a rpm switch thingy to control the variable inlet manifold ;D |
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Aug 21, 2011 20:26:50 GMT
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ok thanks mate,
i think ill just look for a boa engined car, were they only found in granadas or did some bug eyes too
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1994 BMW 525i touring
2004 BMW Z4 sorn and broken
1977 Ford Escort
1982 Ford Capri getting restored
1999 Mazda B2500 daily driver.
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mk2cossie
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Aug 21, 2011 21:05:00 GMT
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BOA is only in the mk3 granada from the factory. the BOB is in the bugeyes. if you do get a BOA, do yourself a favour before fitting it and check how much of the timing chain tensioner is left before fitting the main achilles heel of them is that that part wears out and doesnt make itself known until the chain flaps around and knocks the timing out  otherwise pretty solid engines with an easy 200bhp ;D |
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Aug 22, 2011 12:57:10 GMT
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Sorry for the thread-jack but it seems a good opportunity to ask: Are there any reasons a BOB couldn't be made to run on standalone management?
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Copey
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Aug 22, 2011 13:05:05 GMT
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could be done, but wouldnt be cheap as said use a BOA or a BOB with a BOA loom, I think the BOB makes a bit more power too  theres a load of people runnin 24vs on www.capripower.co.uk so may be a good place to ask about |
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Last Edit: Aug 22, 2011 13:06:16 GMT by Copey
1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec
1985 Ford Capri 3.0 (was a 2.0 Laser originally)
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Aug 22, 2011 13:14:09 GMT
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Cool, thanks  let's say you had a BOB but no loom, ECU or gearbox - would a BOA loom & ECU be available seperately? |
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Copey
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Aug 22, 2011 14:30:43 GMT
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they pop up on ebay a fair bit and occasionally when an engine goes band people will buy a BOA powered granny and break the rest etc they are out there, either way
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1990 Ford Sierra Sapphire GLSi with 2.0 Zetec
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Aug 22, 2011 20:17:21 GMT
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Aug 22, 2011 20:47:45 GMT
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Sorry for the thread-jack but it seems a good opportunity to ask: Are there any reasons a BOB couldn't be made to run on standalone management? I've always thought the BOB was a good candidate for megasquirt - it comes with an EDIS-6 as standard so ignition is dead easy, 6 injectors is no trouble for a MS and there are spare outputs that could be used to open the variable inlet thingy... |
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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mk2cossie
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Aug 22, 2011 21:24:38 GMT
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theres no reason at all that you cant use aftermarket mannagement on the FB cosworth lumps ;D most installers don't, as the ford ecu is cheap and doesnt need mapping to suit the standard engine it came fitted to  if you use a BOB lump, megasquirt would be the cheapest option, then Emerald (i think) and then the big names and money for ECUs after that. yhats the trouble with having more than 4 cylinders and wanting a different ECU to run it  |
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if you use the boa engine, put in the BOB manifolds and cams, makes a decent increase in power |
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mk2cossie
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Aug 23, 2011 12:49:40 GMT
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if you use the boa engine, put in the BOB manifolds and cams, makes a decent increase in power all very well, but they don't bolt up to each other ;D the BOB inlet can be fitted to the BOA, BUT needs an adapter made to get the different bolt patterns to work, and adds a couple of inches to the height of the inlet too |
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Really ? i thought they were bolt on.
the cams are a direct swap though, ive seen that first hand so of that I'm certain !
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Aug 24, 2011 13:05:30 GMT
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You're dffo right about the cams bud, heard that done many times, but like mk2cossie I think the inlet manfolds are a different bolt pattern so not worth the effort to fit.
Bortaf - that is indeed cheap, can't see it hanging aroung long, especially as it can be seen running. I'll be keeping my eyes open for a loom & ECU I reckon, whilst investigating the EIDS mega-squirt option for when I fail to find one..
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Aug 24, 2011 13:25:34 GMT
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Yep inlets require an adapter, cams go straight in and you can use differant timinig washers to fiddle wit hthem as well. Yeh that is silly cheap, paid more than that before for non running engines for customers PATS is the main problem on the BOB loom for what i recall? |
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Aug 24, 2011 22:39:14 GMT
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PATS and speed sensor on the gearbox because it's EECV. Not a problem if you a/ have the keys and b/ want to use an auto or MT75 box.
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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I suspect I already know the answer to this, but can I bolt the BOB to a standard 2.8i Granny autobox? Factor into your answer that this engine is going in a Lowrider, not a race car - it never gets driven hard ;D
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Aug 25, 2011 14:19:02 GMT
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You could, yes. Bolt pattern is the same, so it will fit. Problem is that the 24v engines have a habit of killing the standard gearboxes without fitting a weaker one instead....
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To get a standard A40 this low, you'd have to dig a hole to put it in |
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Aug 25, 2011 14:36:35 GMT
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That's what I thought you'd say ;D I broke the car my BOB engine came from cos it'd killed its autobox.. Unfortunately I had only a couple of hours to strip the car so didn't get the loom  Realisticly then, what are my (automatic) gearbox choices? Granny is very much in the 'low&slow' mould, so beang able to hard-launch the awesome Cosworth torques really isn't an issue, I just don't want it to grenade immediately. How much weaker are the old Cologne-spec 'boxes? |
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let's say you had a BOB but no loom, ECU or gearbox - would a BOA loom & ECU be available seperately?
