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Jul 28, 2006 13:24:43 GMT
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One can receive stolen goods if one doesn't know they're stolen. I may be offered something cheap by someone I know is a little bit dodgy and happily buy it cos it's a bargain. If I get offered an RB26DET or similar for £100 and I Don't check to see if it might have been stolen, then I'm as much of the problem as the person that stole it, because I'm the reason they stole it. If they have someone they can offload on to that asks no questions, then they have a reason to steal. If they can't offload stuff... then they won't bother. I agree with Alistair,.. half the point isn't top stop the theft, or even to get people to check everything they buy (except for super bargain stuff like aforementioned engine), but to give stuff an identity so that if it is picked up by police there is a case for prosecution.
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Jul 28, 2006 14:53:23 GMT
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And if the police arrest a thief and he has a set of stolen Porsche wheels and those wheels have a clever electronic tagging system on them, what do you think the police will do? Nothing!
Unless the wheels have your name and address or car registration number on them the police won't be able to return them. Once gone they will be gone forever. You are soooo unlikely to get anything back, ever.
Insurance!
Charlie
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Jul 28, 2006 14:54:17 GMT
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My wheels got nicked cos they are rare, but very hard to ID. Speaking to the police, they said even if they found the wheels on the person I believe to have them, there's no real way, even with the "distinctive markings" that I could prove them mine.. Basicly, they're gone for good... Data Tag or Smart water may have changed the situation. As pointed out, its supply and demand, Fuchs are in short supply, but have high demand... you're silly if you turn a set down these days, let alone a cheap set
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Jul 28, 2006 14:56:16 GMT
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Unless the wheels have your name and address or car registration number on them the police won't be able to return them. Once gone they will be gone forever. You are soooo unlikely to get anything back, ever. But its not about getting them back,.. its about justice.
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Jul 28, 2006 15:08:11 GMT
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Justice HotWire? What are you going to do, visit the perp in the middle of the night and beat them with a baseball bat? Pathetic.
If something's nicked off you it's nicked. You could cut the thief's hand's off and your precious possesion will still be missing. If cutting people's hand's off or beating people with bats makes you feel better then the problem lies with you.
Charlie
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Jul 28, 2006 15:17:55 GMT
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Justice HotWire? What are you going to do, visit the perp in the middle of the night and beat them with a baseball bat? Pathetic. If something's nicked off you it's nicked. You could cut the thief's hand's off and your precious possesion will still be missing. If cutting people's hand's off or beating people with bats makes you feel better then the problem lies with you. Charlie I hope all this is just the hot weather getting to people.
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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Jul 28, 2006 15:18:49 GMT
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Cutting off peoples hands is a little bit savage.
But if several months being bummed in the showers stops some little scrote from nicking again, then that is a good thing, surely?
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Jul 28, 2006 15:22:34 GMT
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Prison is the best place to meet other thieves. It's a melting pot of criminal ideas, mostly populated by the mentally sub-normal and the incompetent. It's not a deterrent unfortunately especially for low level offenders. Anyway, this is a forum for modified classic cars. Apologies for lowering the tone.
Charlie
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Jul 28, 2006 15:30:59 GMT
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Justice HotWire? What are you going to do, visit the perp in the middle of the night and beat them with a baseball bat? Pathetic. No,.. not vigilante justice... I'm talking about the justice system, you know police, courts and prisons.
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Jul 28, 2006 15:34:00 GMT
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And how would that help the victim?
Charlie
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Jul 28, 2006 15:36:10 GMT
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And how would that help the victim? It wouldn't .. its not about the victim,.. remember they have insurance etc. (as you pointed out earlier). Its about the criminal being bought to justice.
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Jul 28, 2006 15:36:41 GMT
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And how would that help the victim? Charlie It wouldn't, not unless they got their goods back, but it'd stop the little sh!ts doing it for a while! and I for one would be glad knowing that to be the case.... If you continue to let people just take things, where does it end? C'mon Charlie, seriously... think about what you are saying, effectively you're saying that crime like theft ought to go un-punished cos it doesn't get the goods back!
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Jul 28, 2006 15:38:15 GMT
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It stops us all becoming victims.
It may not help YOU but it helps your fellow law-abiding neighbour.
If you feel that there is no sense in punishment / rehabilitation for a crime, then you are kinda guilty of betraying the rest of society with your apathy.
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Jul 28, 2006 15:41:47 GMT
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If you continue to let people just take things, where does it end? A local lad started nicking cars a couple of years back (when he was 14), starting with stealing his Dad's. It "ends" with him driving a Mazda 323 Turbo into someone's house. Hard. Injuring two pre-school-age kids. Still, nothing you can do about it etc etc. Catching rapists and murderers doesn't help victims....is that a waste of time too?
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My fleet: Suzuki GSX-R600Y SRAD with bald, melted tyres A borrowed Mondeo
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Jul 28, 2006 15:54:25 GMT
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And if the police arrest a thief and he has a set of stolen Porsche wheels and those wheels have a clever electronic tagging system on them, what do you think the police will do? Nothing! Unless the wheels have your name and address or car registration number on them the police won't be able to return them. Once gone they will be gone forever. You are soooo unlikely to get anything back, ever. Datatag website says: I think those datatags are a good idea.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 28, 2006 16:07:01 GMT
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All I'm saying is the business of catching thieves and criminals should be left to the police. Retro Rides is not a collection of vigilantes or a think tank for modern policing methods. There is almost nothing we can do to prevent the theft of parts in this evil modern world except insure ourselves.
Tagging, marking, serial numbers, databases and our own vigilance will not make an iota of difference to the UK's theft problem. So get insurance.
And I don't think that crime should go unpunished. Just that our criminal justice system (and that of the USA's) is seriously flawed.
And that 'justice' doesn't exist.
Charlie
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Jul 28, 2006 16:11:06 GMT
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All I'm saying is the business of catching thieves and criminals should be left to the police. Retro Rides is not a collection of vigilantes or a think tank for modern policing methods. There is almost nothing we can do to prevent the theft of parts in this evil modern world except insure ourselves. Tagging, marking, serial numbers, databases and our own vigilance will not make an iota of difference to the UK's theft problem. So get insurance. And I don't think that crime should go unpunished. Just that our criminal justice system (and that of the USA's) is seriously flawed. And that 'justice' doesn't exist. Charlie Never heard so much curse word in my life!!! Retro Rides can do a LOT to help the police and make theives aware that what they do is gonna get a lot harder. WE CAN help the Police, Data-Tag works, its proven.... We're not out to "lynch" we just want theives to know it won't go un punished, and working together, we'll ensure that as many people as possible know what has gone missing, and what to avoid.
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The lurker formerly known as Cappuccinocruiser.. or wedgedout..
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Jul 28, 2006 18:19:33 GMT
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All I'm saying is the business of catching thieves and criminals should be left to the police. Retro Rides is not a collection of vigilantes or a think tank for modern policing methods. There is almost nothing we can do to prevent the theft of parts in this evil modern world except insure ourselves. Tagging, marking, serial numbers, databases and our own vigilance will not make an iota of difference to the UK's theft problem. So get insurance. And I don't think that crime should go unpunished. Just that our criminal justice system (and that of the USA's) is seriously flawed. And that 'justice' doesn't exist. Charlie Are you an insurance salesman by any chance? If anything insurance companies are bigger thieves than the people who go round robbing bits, once you've claimed on the insurance, lost your no claims and had your premium bumped up you will have lost a fair amount of money and still not have the item back and if it's a rare set of wheels insurance won't help you locate another set will it? I think peoples suggestions and ideas of trying to find a better way of either deterring theives or tracking the part once it has been stolen are more productive than just saying let your insurance sort it out.
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