roundozo
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Hello all, Well things never seem to go well for me. Upon removing the water pump one of the bolts has seized and my socket set has just smoothed the head off  . I thought it was undoing but when I took the wrench off its been skimmed. Now this bolt is the last remaining one on the water pump and she wont budge. I don’t have a lot of room so drilling is out of the question and I’m not sure how much heat I can apply if any to the pump as its right near some electrical bumph!  Do any of you have any sneaky, home grown, DIY ideas of how to remove this last bolt! (there’s always one!)  I look forward to hearing your ideas.  |
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Lawsy
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have you a 6 sided or 12 sided socket set, if just 12, try getting hold of a 6 side as it may grip the existing flats..
From a similar experience I invested in a set of 6 sided sockets and havent had an issue since
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hammer on a small socket , or irwin bolt grippers (well worth having)
then buy a socket set with 6 sided sockets
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roundozo
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Will give it a go. I need to get the tensioner pulley off the car as its right in the way at the moment. I have a 6 sided one but it cant fit on as the tensioner (even when moved down) is just sticking out too much. Another poor design feature of the 24v cosworth engine!
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`state
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Can you get a mig torch to it? Maybe weld a nut on to it. All depends how much room you`ve got really.
Waterpump bolts seem to be a regular at this.Had to take my mates pug 106 rallye engine out to change the pump as the previous owner had rounded all the bolts off.
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roundozo
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Don’t suppose anyone knows how to get these tensioner pulleys off do they on the 24v 2.9 cossy? I can move it down by turning it clockwise but there is just not enough clearance to get a socket in there. From what I can see the whole thing needs to come off so I can hammer a socket onto it.
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Dez
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Damaged Bolt Heads!Dez
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weld a nut to it is always my 'get out'. ive never had it not work, and ive undone some right stuff!!
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roundozo
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unfortunately I don’t have a welder so that's out of the question. Might be able to use J-D weld but not sure how strong that stuff is. Think I’m going to attempt to take all ancillaries off of the left hand side of the engine and hope that'll give me enough room to get to it with a socket. I’ve been covering the bolt in WD40 everyday in the vain attempt to help it budge.
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If you can get a dremel or similar small grinding/cutting tool in there you could grind some new flats onto the bolt head and use the next size socket down (preferably 6 sided socket). A normal file may work if there's enough access. I've had success with this, aswell as welding nuts/bolts onto rounded bolt heads to get them out.
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roundozo
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Thats not a bad idea. Think thats the best bet for the tools i have. make it a smaller size (was 10mm) so prob a 9 or so then i can start all over again. Got to get some new bolts now as well, argh! RR gathering one week away, starting to get worried!!
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Aug 11, 2011 10:29:11 GMT
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I had a 10mm round off and I got it undone by using a six sided 3/8 on my air gun.
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Koos
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Aug 11, 2011 11:41:26 GMT
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top tip: Invest in a welder! lol, they come in exponentially handy - the more you use it, the more uses you find for it!  |
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Aug 11, 2011 11:47:40 GMT
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I had a 10mm round off and I got it undone by using a six sided 3/8 on my air gun. I reckon that's a good call. 3/8" is just just under half a millimetre smaller than a 10 so you may get enough purchase |
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scruff
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Aug 11, 2011 12:01:48 GMT
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Can you get an open spanner on it instead?
Should then turn on the flats instead of the corners.
Also use the usual tricks try tightening it a smidge first or shocking it with a hammer if you can.
If it's into ali then a blowtorch on the area might help too.
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bortaf
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Aug 11, 2011 13:38:01 GMT
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If it's that tight i bet the gasket has gone internaly and the whole thread is rusted in the block, if it is be carefull cos the bolt will be weakened from the rust and will most likely snap, a sharp tap from a hammer sometimes frees the thread off |
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roundozo
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Aug 11, 2011 14:05:19 GMT
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Bortaf I believe you may be right once more. The reason the pump is coming off in the first place is that is leaking water heavily so that might be the reason she’s not coming off. Obviously the most important part is to look after the thread in the block, I don’t care what happens to the bolt as I’ve got new ones. I’m off to screw fix tonight after work to get me some specialist tools and see what I can do. There is about 3 clean sides left on the bolt still so I think if I give it a little whack with a hammer to free it then attach a 3/8 to it and see if that works.
If not then the next idea is the dremel idea (making a flat groove for a screwdriver), if that fails I’ll try and J-D weld a flat piece of metal through the dremel grove and use that to turn. I hope for RR gatherings sake that the bolt doesn’t snap off cos if that happens its an engine out jobby and she wont make to RR.
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paul4be
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Aug 11, 2011 14:34:19 GMT
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As has been mentioned above, Irwin Bolt Grips. They really are very good.
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kaos
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Aug 11, 2011 14:40:43 GMT
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surprised no ones mentioned this:
required:
Hammer
Old flat Screwdriver/chisel
instructions.
Line up screwdriver/chisel on the bolt at an angle, hit with hammer. this drivers the screwdriver or chisel into the bolt, which should in turn get the bolt turning, just keep moving it round or using the same first attack point to keep it going.
did this to the 11 torx bolts holding the sump on to my engine when i first got it, works wonders on most bolts.
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roundozo
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Aug 11, 2011 15:08:13 GMT
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just had a look at those Irwin bolt grips, what a good idea. The amount of times i've had to drill out dead bolts on my old capri and all the time these had been around, doh!
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cjbp
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Aug 11, 2011 19:50:37 GMT
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Cut the top off and use one of these, althought don't get a set made by draper.... This I got mine from cromwell tools and have been invaluable for pulling/replacing exhaust studs, engine housing studs etc etc. You can also use them to properly torque in studs assuming they are within acceptable torque ranges www.google.co.uk/products/catalog?hl=en&cp=16&gs_id=1w&xhr=t&q=stud+extractor+set&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&biw=1280&bih=709&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbm=shop&cid=13944524533758296032&sa=X&ei=NDFETuiVOZKWhQeOgJ2vCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CDQQ8gIwAA |
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