ChasR
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Dec 26, 2011 22:12:11 GMT
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Thanks for the comments! It is getting towards tidy, but as you can see I do try and use the car where I can (even if it is for journeys under 10 miles . Hopefully next year will have it looking smarter. Looks very smart, I think I spotted this around the cannock area, maybe before you bought it or maybe it isn't the one The white car? Two owners previous to me it came from Tamworth, before ending up in Rugby under the PO, so there is a chance it may have caught your eye in the past . Since then quite a bit has changed on the car (interior retrim and a respray being the visual aspects of the car).
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ben1
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Dec 26, 2011 22:27:36 GMT
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yep, the white one, only if i had the camera the day i seen it. looking very good indeed.
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ImpManiac
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Dec 27, 2011 21:08:04 GMT
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Very nice car, ChasR. ;D Aside from my Hillman Imp fetish, I also have a Triumph Stag one! I have a long-term project Stag as evidence. Long-term as in I've owned it since 1989 and still never driven it. But it is next in line after my Imp is back on the road. I shall bookmark this thread. Great work so far! Your Strombergs sound as though the spindles had worn, as well as other issues. My Imp CD125s had new spindles and throttle discs, as well as a new linkage, gaskets and seals and were good as gold afterwards. There is a fix for the dashpot oil issue too. Your Holley carb issue sounds like the jetting is off to me. I'm certain you will get to the bottom of it in the end, though. It could still be an ignition issue, although it sounds as though you have been through much of the ignition system. It's great to read about your Stag! Keep up the great work. "I'm"
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1966 Singer Chamois sprint/hillclimb car in white over blue two tone 1975 Triumph Stag long term project (over 20 years so far) in colour TBA 2003 Vauxhall Vectra GSi 3.2 in black sapphire
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Dec 27, 2011 22:27:55 GMT
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Rather than painting the whole roof white, why not just do the blue bit around the side windows on the roof? Blue roof on a white car looks quite nice and it's a great shape as it is.
Certainly a good read throughout thus far, makes me wish I could give me own some more attention than I am lately.
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Dec 28, 2011 10:36:27 GMT
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I will just leave this here......
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ChasR
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Don't put pics up of Richard Lane's Stag Rob? That is just asking me to do silly things . ImpMan, thanks for the comments. Is there a thread on your Stag at all? It is always interesting to see how people tackle theirs . The Holley carb now is spot on with the vacuum pipe replaced too. I put it down to the new 'County' Coil. On the Bosch sports coil it works a charm and pulls lovely . I may try refurbing the Strombergs but with the body cracked in one I am not sure if I will be able to... Only thing stopping me now is the vibration (it is getting worse as is the slop in the diff once warm...). I plan to change the gearbox angle (to agree with the diff) to see how that goes. When taking it to Birmingham yesterday (to store for a short while) I am sure the vibration became worse and at 50-55MPH I could not hear myself think. The P&O Stag it is for now LOL . Rather than painting the whole roof white, why not just do the blue bit around the side windows on the roof? Blue roof on a white car looks quite nice and it's a great shape as it is. Certainly a good read throughout thus far, makes me wish I could give me own some more attention than I am lately. I shall be honest, after I cleaned the car the other day and the jetwash could take off the old dirt and moss infested in parts of the roof the car actually did not look as bad with the Blue roof as I thought. Or maybe I am making excuses... White sides could work mind you .
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Last Edit: Jan 2, 2012 9:14:31 GMT by ChasR
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ImpManiac
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ImpMan, thanks for the comments. Is there a thread on your Stag at all? It is always interesting to see how people tackle theirs . Sadly not. The Stag is in a garage about 15 miles or so from where I live and I don't get to see it often. My garage here is full of Singer Chamois! I would like to build a car port and get both projects round here but it'd be too expensive. Once the Chamois is done, though, I'd love to get stuck in to my beloved Stag. Keep up the efforts with yours. "I'm"
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ChasR
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So last time I left the thread mentioning that despite the car now pulling very well and stopping well it did vibrate severely at 50MPH! I also had a horrific clonk coming from the diff once the car warmed up. The vibration may be down to a few things: -Diff/gearbox angles. Basically, the gearbox angle is not quite parrallel with that of the diff (flanges of either are not parallel). Although some people believe that the angles may not make much difference it is still on the suspect list. Either way I am not too happy with the gearbox mounting so I shall deal with the angle issue at the same time. -Gearbox bush mountings: where I should have some bushes for where the crossmember meets the car I have none! Another item to add to the spending spree. This could explain my clonking once warm. On my car the gearbox is not mounted onto the crossmember via a bracket, and my crossmember is mounted just using nuts and bolts onto the car as opposed to a sleeve and bush arrangement. -Diff bearing- My diff is leaking oil quicker than I expected from the front and I understand that this can kill the quillshaft bearing rather quickly. So I shall be remedying this in the new item. -Diff- It does whine (but don't they all?) although it does have a bit of slop in it which only gets worse once the car is warm (as does the vibration...). I shall not let this vibration get the better of me. I have since acquired a few more items: Another diff (supposed to be a good item), propshaft and a CV jointed propshaft, both from manual cars. The diff and propshaft are sandblasted items which have been powder coated with the propshaft being in great condition. The CV item came up at a great price and I have hoping it should do the job. Before that goes in I shall be putting in a new diff extension bearing and strengthening the extension with a few metal plates in place at the rear. Another item is the steering rack. I shall probably need to reseal this but it has no play in comparison to the item on the car: And finally, I popped down to a specialist to pick up a spare wiring loom. I ended up also walking out with this: A very tidy veneer set for a Stag complete with clocks in great condition. That should brighten up my interior a little! ATM the Stag is being store but once this horrible weather goes (well, the cold!) I shall be attacking it once more.
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2012 23:49:11 GMT by ChasR
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Feb 10, 2012 16:59:30 GMT
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Love the red stag, are you selling?
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ImpManiac
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Feb 15, 2012 22:44:07 GMT
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Excellent work, ChasR. ;D I bet your vibration problem will turn out to be a bearing gone west somewhere. Differential extensions are a known Stag weak spot. I wonder whether or not there was a problem with your propshaft being banana-shaped or something. Keep working through it and I am certain your Stag will be devoid of any but good vibrations. "I'm"
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ChasR
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Feb 17, 2012 19:30:26 GMT
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Love the red stag, are you selling? The red Stag is not mine, sorry! It was built by Stag specialist Richard Lane back in the 1990s. It sported a Chevy 5.7 V8 in addition to a number of mods that a few Stag owners use these days (BMW E30 complete rear subframe and diff setup, 4 pot calipers, discs on the rear etc. Quite a beast one might say! I am not sure where it is now. I'm, I reckon that you will be right. The fact that the grease has most likely been washed out of my extension bearing will certainly not help matters! Time for another update. I figured after leaving the Stag in a garage for over a month it was time to check a few things (so I can return some items!) in addition to blowing out some cobwebs (well, seeing if it still runs. It was great to hear that burble again and to see that it was still as pokey as I remember it . Was was not so impressive was a completely flat tyre on the rear. Classic car ownership eh? It was time to see whether a manual propshaft would fit or not. The information that I had gathered suggested that I most likely had a Borg Warner T65 propshaft on the Stag but no one was sure until very recently a number of people seemed a little reluctant to help me with my cause. So as you know I acquired two manual props with my fingers being crossed to hoping that the CV prop would fit (not angle difference to worry about). As the pictures shall show (and measuring up the items too side by side) the manual item was a good 3" shorter. Damn! At least the shotblasted item shall sell roughly for what I paid for it . CV prop is lying on the floor. I also thought that I would try some wheels I was considering buying. After having my heart almost set on them I was not so sure once they were on the car... And on the front: Before anyone says anything about the height I did not have the correct nuts for the wheels in question (the Stag stock wheels use nuts similar to the Speedline 'Flat' bolts with a flat washer and sleeve) so I did not dare put any weight on the wheels! Furthermore my Stag is on 185/70R14 wheels when it should be on 185R14s (as the spare is in the first shot). Maybe with the car dropped down it would look better but I am not too sure to be honest! I also found another issue with the car: Fear not it is not the strut rubbing! It is in fact the front spring insulator. I have heard from other Stag owners that after as little as a year these insulators can "bulge" and start to slip out. Yet more quality rubber bits for old cars . I was planning to lower it on Christ Witor springs all round and fit them with Superflex spring insulators, so I guess that I may just bring the lowering agenda a little further forward if I go down that avenue;). The insulators could explain why my ride height is strange (it is a little higher on the rear).
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Feb 17, 2012 19:57:48 GMT
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If your diff is leaking oil, then I'm afraid it may be dead. Mike Papworth is the man to see if you need a new one.
Check the gearbox mounts, a Stag V8 and ZF gearbox is a lot of weight to be banging against the diff, it'll knock out the oil seals in the pinion housing very quickly.
Same thing happens to the big 6 saloons, which is how I know, the gearbox mount gets covered in oil, fails, then the diff starts whining and clonking.
I'd go as far to say, don't drive it till the gearbox mount is sorted!
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ChasR
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Feb 17, 2012 20:23:26 GMT
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I shall be honest here. In comparison to the diff in my shed the one on the car has lots of play/backlash in comparison. As I was saying the backlash gets so bad that once warm it does not half thump (in sound and you can feel the thump a little too) when the car goes from drive to reverse. The gearbox mounts are fine, but I am not sure of the quality of the bushes and whether I should employ a better mount. From what I can tell he has drilled the crossmember so as to take the cotton reel gearbox mounts. Clive Tate utilises the original mounting positions of the Stag using a custom made gearbox mount. Whilst another mount type has been suggest AFAIK it has yet to be tested. The rear of my box has the same mounts (gearbox part) but the cotton reels screw onto the bottom of the crossmember. I shall get some photos of the T&L mounts but the photographs are copyrighted...
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andyborris
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Feb 17, 2012 20:39:21 GMT
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I think the original Triumph mount design will allow less flex then the “cotton reels”.
Or perhaps the damage was done before the conversion? Perhaps a steady bar to control the drivetrain movement?
I'll be fitting one onto my conversion
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ChasR
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Feb 20, 2012 12:13:06 GMT
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The cotton reel mounts are pretty much what the Stag uses anyway, although I agree that mounted further around the gearbox compared to mine, they probably do allow for a more rigid location. When I bought the car, the gearbox was damaged so you could be right. However, the guy who put this in was meant to be highly involved with high performance gearboxes in addition to having a history of working at FF, Ricardo etc, so I would like to think there was some thought put into the work.... I finally have a picture of how mine is mounted but only from the top (prop and exhaust get in the way from below). Where the gearbox bolts onto the bar in the last photograph my mounts actually utilise the existing gearbox mounts and then bolt on directly to the crossmember.
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Feb 22, 2012 15:23:46 GMT
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Reminds me of the Tickford stag with the BBS wheels (Except not black) I think they could work. Only pics I could find of a Stag with TR6 Steels- www.cardomain.com/ride/3258689/1973-triumph-stagdon't remember seeing any Stags with Revolution Classics or RFX's.
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ChasR
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Feb 24, 2012 12:10:22 GMT
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I have seen 1 Stag with RFXs. It did not look too bad to be fair (the centres just like the Tickford were black). TR6 wheels were the other wheels I considered but again, they seem to not work with the Stag. Maybe the stock wheels are best... We shall see what decision I make .
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Last Edit: Feb 24, 2012 12:12:07 GMT by ChasR
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Feb 24, 2012 15:19:28 GMT
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OOOffff!
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ChasR
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I last left this thread with ideas and looking forward to getting the car going until I hit yet another setback.
The gearbox that got reconditioned all of 5 months ago is still not out of the woods! At the output shaft/flange end it has up and down movement present, enough to be visible. I am not sure if it should do that to be honest! But it now looks like the biggest suspect for causing the vibration issue!
In one respect I am annoyed (I pretty much ruled out the gearbox after having it refurbished) yet in another I guess it was good that I checked it on the offchance before I started on a road going to nowhere (I admit the diff/extension housing still need looking at (the front seal leaks), but that can now wait until the summer.
Next thing I shall be doing is making up the new gearbox mount as per the photo above.
Ho hum, I shall get there.
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Last Edit: Mar 3, 2012 15:36:02 GMT by ChasR
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will you be having words with the gearbox people?
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