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Sept 21, 2011 21:12:07 GMT
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I've not read the full thread yet but before you make any descisions you will probably need to restore a lot of the original bodywork. I'm just finishing this task on a '74 four door and my two main tips would be - don't remove the top part of the inner sills if you are replacing the inners. It will more than double the amount of work to be done and the tops are hardly ever rusted enough to need replacing
- the rear wheelarch repair sections that you can buy are pressed incorrectly so don't assume you have done something wrong when you can't get the inner and outer panels to match up right
I honestly believe there is no right or wrong way to do most jobs on most cars. Different people have different techniques, and as long as the finished product is right that's all that matters! I've checked the car out quite thoroughly and can find no serious rot. It does look like its been dry stored for a number of years. There has been no patch welding anywhere as far as i can see, and the car is still on its original sills, rear wings and floors, and needs no welding. The only bit that does need welding is the rear valance, and localized repairs to the boot floor corners. We all know how it works though, and i'll probably find some more at some point. ;D The reason for the poll now is to have an idea in my head before i start. A full body rebuild before deciding the final look of the car would be in vain if i then had to cut bits to weld in a roll cage, and cut the sills to allow for Air Ducts should i go down the Broadspeed route. Thanks for the tips though, any photo's of how yours is looking now? Regards, Phil
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foxy99
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Sept 22, 2011 1:06:26 GMT
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Hi guys I did one side of my car the wrong way, although I see a company who specialise in this field - XJ Restorations - also use this method. IE cutting out the corroded bottom half of the inner sill and leaving the top in place. The other side of the car I cut out the complete inner sill and put a new one in. If I had to do it again I would go with the first option. On both sides I replaced the front jack points and radius arm box sections. I'm not sure where you get these genuine Jaguar rear wheelarch repair sections so had to make do with ones purchased from the dealers who sold me the genuine Jaguar repair panels for other parts of the car. If there is no corrosion on the inner sills of your car and genuine Jag repair panels are available for the rear arches there's not really any point discussing it as you won't encounter any problems in those area. I've got lots of close up pics of the car but not many wide shots. These two show the sill area when everything was removed and when new outer being fitted This shot is after the new inner sill was put in This was a while back comparing old to new Its a beautiful car you have. Good luck with it
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Last Edit: Sept 22, 2011 1:22:54 GMT by foxy99
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Sept 22, 2011 8:09:48 GMT
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I dislike patching. I lost a few XJ's to poor repairs - both mine while learning and others attempts... sorry if my post came across as harsh. To get genuine Jag sections... cut down complete wings (they're fairly easy to get) or scout around the Jag spares day that happens twice a year at Stoneleigh. Its much easier than trying to modify stuff. www.jaguarsparesdays.co.uk/Take plenty of money as there's tons of treasure that you'll want. E-type shell for £2500 last year was what I wanted and couldn't afford!!
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"You're about as likely to come across a fully functioning old Jag, as you are a taxicab that smells agreeable." - James May
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Sept 23, 2011 9:47:28 GMT
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Right, the poll has been running for exactly 5 days now, and the decision has been made. All efforts will now be made to make the car look, sound and (hopefully) perform something like this - I thought it would be good to do something last night, get the ball rolling as it were, so...armed with my new found enthusiasm I went to start working. One thing that has been bugging me is the amount of scrap and parts that are in and around the car. I needed to assess the condition of the boot floor and valance, but when I opened the boot I was faced with this - Lots of rusty, damp, rotten useless bits that needed moving. The eagle eyed may notice that the bootlid is missing. This is because it was this shape - and kept falling down on my head. I'll strip all the chrome and bits of trim, but I think a new bootlid is on my list of parts needed. Anyway, a productive half hour later and the boot looked like this - Its a lot more solid than it probably looks in the photo, the only corrosion is where the rear valance meets the boot floor, and I was expecting that. The far corners still have the original seam sealer and need no work. This is the worst bit on the car, rust wise- So on the whole not much done, but its a start. I still need to figure a way to get the smashed windscreen out without causing myself serious injury, and there's plenty more strip down to do before the serious fun work starts. More updates very soon! Phil
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Last Edit: Sept 23, 2011 10:04:04 GMT by Phil2600s
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Sept 23, 2011 14:25:02 GMT
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For the windscreen - get some security film, and see if you can get a new windscreen rubber so you can cut the old one out? But stick security film on the inside of it first.
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Sept 23, 2011 19:50:46 GMT
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Ive always liked the idea of a slightly modded XJC, I'll be keeping an eye on this one
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Sig pic too big!
83 MK1 Golf 1.3 Driver-sold 83 Mk1 Golf GTI Pirelli-sold 95 BMW 520i Individual-sold 94 BMW 525i Sport-R.I.P 04 Audi A4 1.9TDI 130-55mpg:)
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I've finally had a spare half day to work on the Coupe, we're in the middle of moving house at the moment, fixing my girlfriends Supra, and keeping my Imp running so time is not always on my side. I was up at 5am this morning, to watch the F1, and so when that finished i drove to the garage and got cracking. The first job was to remove the front wings and valance. I want to Strip all the underseal, partly because its ugly and weighs a ton, and partly because i want to know whats underneath. Unfortunately, due to the lack of tools, i had to remove the front as 1 piece (wing/valance/wing) and then separate them off the car. When i took this off i found a bit of rot in the front wing mounting points, and I'm not entirely happy with the radiator cross member, so i'll be replacing these as well. Its a common rot spot, and its not too bad so i'm not too annoyed! You can also see on the previous photo where the seam down the inner wing to chassis leg has swelled and corroded, this is a tad more complicated to fix but not impossible. I thought i had better take the hinge boxes out to see down inside the chassis legs, and it's not pretty. So this is how it sits at the moment, plenty more stripdown on the front end before the real work can begin, but if i can do a few hours every weekend it should take shape quick enough. More updates soon!
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Great work, shame about the little bit of rust but doesn't look as bad as it could be. Can't wait to see this one develop..... Ps.. i voted broadspeed
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You can't buy happiness but you can buy cars and that's kind of the same thing.
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les509
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Great to see this on here! Give me a bell as per my PM Phil, I can shed some light on her history.
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foxy99
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Love this car I just noticed your inner wing is slightly different from the one on my M reg. Yours seems to have an extra seam above the bumper iron inner mount point LHS inner wing 1974 V12I recently did some repairs to the vertical wing mount panels. Was considering using new panels as they aren't very expensive but as it was only the bottoms that had corroded had a go at repairing instead
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1974 Daimler Double-Six VDP 1965/67 Hillman Imp pick-up 1984 VW Polo breadvan 1970s Yamaha Twins (4) 1976 Honda SS50ZK1
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Oct 10, 2011 21:10:26 GMT
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All Series 1 and early series 2 have a plain inner wing. Its a weak point as all the load goes through the front of the box section off the mountings for the front subframe, and for the anti roll bar.
Later series 2 and all the series 3 had a strengthening panel which is what you can see on the coupe. Usually if you get rust here, there will be a neat little crack develop just in front of the anti roll bar mount!
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"You're about as likely to come across a fully functioning old Jag, as you are a taxicab that smells agreeable." - James May
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Oct 11, 2011 10:10:56 GMT
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Such a shame wonderful old cars like this end up in this state. HUGE Kudos for taking the old girl on and getting her back on the road. Love the coupe jags, they have a 'thug in a suit' attitude to them I think a 4.2 with triple side-draught webers and a rorty cam would be just lovely
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foxy99
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Oct 11, 2011 23:54:45 GMT
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Thanks for the info Rich. Parts book doesn't even give that info I agree Misterbob. Such amazing cars and the rust just brings me down. I'd love a Coupe but I'd never go through it all again as I've done with my saloon. When you start a project the finish line seems a long way off seems to take even longer to reach than you ever imagine
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Oct 12, 2011 10:55:50 GMT
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No worries. I'm just staring digging into my Series 1 again, so its refreshing to relearn all the places they try to corrode!
I HATE bodywork, but Phil is a dab hand at it, so the coupe's in good hands.
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"You're about as likely to come across a fully functioning old Jag, as you are a taxicab that smells agreeable." - James May
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Oct 31, 2011 18:10:38 GMT
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nice project to how far are you taking the project ? full broadspeed replica or only lookalike ?
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Oct 31, 2011 18:42:22 GMT
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I am sure many would not have considered this project with the damage. Great to see you not being defeated by this car and getting stuck in .
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Oct 31, 2011 20:05:02 GMT
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Brave man (men?)! Well rescued... Looking forwards to seeing it progress.
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nice project to how far are you taking the project ? full broadspeed replica or only lookalike ? I'm not sure yet, i'm thinking it will look like that from the outside and inside, but have better running gear. The basic plan is outboard rear discs, manual gearbox, Pre-HE V12 on throttle boddies and a few other little parts. It should sound and look the part, even if its not 100% accurate.
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Brave man (men?)! Well rescued... Looking forwards to seeing it progress. Man..and woman, seeing as I've managed to drag my girlfriend into helping me with it!
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I am sure many would not have considered this project with the damage. Great to see you not being defeated by this car and getting stuck in . The damage is still the only bit that worries me a bit about the car, but it's not as bad as it could be so i hope it'll be fine when the time comes to fix it.
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