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i hate to do this but after only 27 hours of cosworth capri ownership i have to post my first tech 'how-to' thread since i have my first gremlin! i'm also not a mechanic. i can manage most jobs but everything i know about cars has been learned by fixing stuff when it goes bang so i wont know how to fix this until after i've done it. that make sense? i picked my car up yesterday. originally a 2.8 injection it comes with power steering. i drove around for a few hours but spent loads of that sitting in rush hour traffic. i was almost home when i pulled out of a junction and the PAS died. i had a poke around (all i could think of!) and it hadn't dropped any fluid, the belt was tight and i couldn't see any wires sticking out anywhere. i left it overnight and this morning it was cured! so i'm thinking did the electrics fry from under bonnet heat? any idea what might cause intermittent power loss? my other question is do i even need the PAS? the steering is very light when it's working. it's light to the point where it's terrifyingly vague at motorway speeds. i was on the A19 in a sidewind today and it was very scary at overtaking speeds. i've only seen about 85-90mph so far and it doesn't feel safe to push on after that as there's so much slop and very little control with the front end wandering around. when the PAS cut out it was unmanageably heavy at low speeds but much more planted and less death defying on the move. i'm a fan of simplicity so it occurred to me that i could fit a non-PAS rack and ditch the pump etc.. and just run it. i'd like to hear from someone with capri experience first though. would it be a pig to drive with no power steering and big V6 up front? any input welcomed as always    |
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dazcapri
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capri's always seem to catch the wind and get blown about so that bit could be nothing serious do the basics(check tyre pressure, suspension etc) just in case. never had one with power steering and they're all heavy at parking speeds but ok when on the move I suppose it depends on you really if you prefer it without ps take it off you'll get used to it.
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Hi mate nice looking capri  not sure what your problem is exactly but I'm most definatley in favour of you replacing the rack with a none PAS one, you'll get fractionally more power too  I've owned and driven a lot of pinto powered none pas capris and the feedback you get is so much better on them than the 2.8s. I had a 2.8 for a bit and the steering felt horribly vague compared to the rest. In my opinion, pas is for girls |
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dazcapri
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if your rack is knackered and you want to put pas back on try minesgt off here he was taking pas off his to put a standard rack on, he.s fitting a v8 and pas rack won't fit so could be for sale
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i'll try and eliminate whatever problem i have first so i can just continue to enjoy the car for a while. if it comes down to replacing racks i'll go for a non PAS version i think. just for some extra feel and less stuff under the bonnet.
i just need to know what the problem is!
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24v is HEAVY, you will need strong arms for low speed manouvering without it, I have had a couple of manual rack 2.8 XR4is and a few with PAS, theres quite a lot of difference in effort, it don't make any odds to me as I'm 6'7" but even I find it hard to turn the wheel at very low speeds, I would think a Capri will be similar, but i've not had a V6 one without it.
if you were stuck in traffic maybe the fluid got hot, i think they have a metal loop in front of the rad to act as a cooler, check its not been bypassed?
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well it wont be be electrics as the PAS doesnt have any, it will have a belt driven pump. is thier enough fluid in the pas reservoir? if its fine your looking at failing pump or failing rack. oh and you will want pas much nice to drive with it.
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85-90mph is more than fast enuff for my non p/s 1.6 laser!
think yourself lucky you can push on.
would imagine without p/s on a big v6 theyd be very heavy around town, probabaly low on fluid, just check all the seals incase its drawing sumwhere
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well it wont be be electrics as the PAS doesnt have any, it will have a belt driven pump. is thier enough fluid in the pas reservoir? if its fine your looking at failing pump or failing rack see that's the kind of knowledge i need since i don't even know things like there being no electrics! fluid is right underneath the max level and hasn't dropped at all. if the other parts are failing like the pump or the rack how do i test them? 85-90mph is more than fast enuff for my non p/s 1.6 laser! think yourself lucky you can push on. would imagine without p/s on a big v6 theyd be very heavy around town, probabaly low on fluid, just check all the seals incase its drawing sumwhere yes i've had a 1.6 years ago and knew i wouldn't go back to a capri unless it had some oomph! i can't feel any fluid or see any evidence of any leaking seals everything is clean. |
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are the pump vairiable on the 24V ?
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have you checked the pipes for kinks?
pipes may have been damaged when engine fitted
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your best bet is to get a rack off a laser and ditch the PAS hehe how close it the pump/resevoir to the turbo? could it be heating up the fluid? |
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Last Edit: Jun 1, 2011 22:51:15 GMT by Copey
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bortaf
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wont he need a new Xmemeber t fit the manual rack too though ?
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^^^Yes, he will.
It would be "handy" in this discussion to know if the Capri in question has the 2.8i pump on it (Saginaw) or the Granny 24v pump on it.
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gTlBN2+6foLl!~~_12.JPG) difficult to see a pump...... |
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how close it the pump/resevoir to the turbo? could it be heating up the fluid? I think its a 24v, not a YB As said, I'd suspect heat soak thinned the PAS fluid whilst sat in traffic. Maybe a secondary cooler is needed? Or a fluid flush and hope for the best? |
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Can't say i've ever heard of heat soak thinng the PAS oil on a 24V, I know about 20 peeps with em and never heard that before, mind all the peeps I know have em in cortinas so there may be a differance there and they all had the PAS collers fitted i spose the builder could have left it off this conversion ? and IME when cooled the PAS would return if that was the case?
Am I right Norm that for a NON PAS rack he'll need a rare Mk1 capri NON PAS Xmember to fit the manual rack to? seeing as NON PAS 4 cylinder Xmembers have differant engine mount positions ? OR weld some manual mounts on ?
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how close it the pump/resevoir to the turbo? could it be heating up the fluid? I think its a 24v, not a YB As said, I'd suspect heat soak thinned the PAS fluid whilst sat in traffic. Maybe a secondary cooler is needed? Or a fluid flush and hope for the best? missed the bit where he said v6 haha |
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Am I right Norm that for a NON PAS rack he'll need a rare Mk1 capri NON PAS Xmember to fit the manual rack to? seeing as NON PAS 4 cylinder Xmembers have differant engine mount positions ? OR weld some manual mounts on ? Non PAS Mk2/3 V6 crossmember should work I'd think. Yes, the ears were relocated, but then so were the Mk2/3 V6 engine brackets to match them. |
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wow thanks for all the help, lots to think about!
i've got someone who is going to test the various components over the weekend and look for the weak link. i've been driving around and it's functioning fine but still very little feel. maybe that's normal i've never driven one before.
switching to a manual rack is a bit drastic at this point, i just want to drive so i'll see what we discover.
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not sure what your problem is exactly but I'm most definatley in favour of you replacing the rack with a none PAS one, you'll get fractionally more power too 
