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Hey guys iv got a dilema...
I have own and run a little 205 xs for about a year now and it has just failed its mot on emissions and its is pretty clear from what the garrage has said and what comes out of the exhaust it isnt going to pass as it is or without alot of engine work done. (As abit of a background i am a student and therefore very tight on the money front!!) I am rather attatched to the car and would love to get it going again if its cheap enough. The option that i can see is putting a new engine in. As its a 205 xs a has a tu3 engine, it shares the same engine platform with 106 /saxo's so i could put in a 106 engine. I have tried getting quotes from insurance companies with a 1.6 (non-standard) engine in it and nobody can insure me. Can i just put the engine in and not tell the insurance company (i know its not legal but would/could i get away with it), Or could i say that i put a 1.4 engine in and put a 1.6 engine in (more power and they look the same) Its going to have to pass an mot so i don't want to pay £400 odd and turn up to hear the garage say this isnt a 1.4 engine n not pass it, or not be able to insure it. Sorry for the many many questions, I'm just hecticly trying to find a way to save my car. thanks
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speedy88
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I wouldn't, get in an accident and risk big court costs due to invalid insurance. Plus many many points on your licence.
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No. Do not under any circumstances not declare anything to your insurance. You will get bummed. Nuns, puppies, kittens and children will all fall at your presence.
Surely you can find a cheap shed of a 205 with a half decent motor to swap?
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Imagine you hit a bus queue, made up entirely of city bankers. If they're injured, your insurance company will pay their wages while they're off work recovering. If they're killed, your insurance company will pay to keep their wife/kids in the manor to which they've become accustomed. Then, because you weren't driving the car you insured, they will expect you to repay the millions they've paid out. You'll be paying it off for the rest of your life. Gloomy, but there it is.
Don't 106's/Saxos come with a 1.4?
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ffs whatever you do, DO NOT run a car without proper insurance - the best that will happen is people like me will get curse word off and the worst is as already mentioned. if the engine runs ok but is just bad on emissions then you have no problem, 205 xs carbs must be pretty common and worst case scenario you could take it apart and check it over. iirc they are a solex twin choke type which can be annoying but there is bound to be an equivalent weber if you get really stuck. I'm sure if you ask nicely someone may be able to help with your emissions problem... p.s. there are plenty of us whom are students... ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) but we just save up and bite the bullet when it comes to paying for modified car insurance
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What have the garage actually said needs doing? Or did they just give you a quote along the lines of: *sucks teeth* "Ooh, it'll cost ya..." As said, could be solved through something as (relatively) simple as a replacement carburettor. I wouldn't start planning on doing something drastic (and illegal) before you've exhausted the other options with your existing engine. And if you're "just trying to find a way to save your car" then surely finding a good replacement 1.4 engine would be the way to do it? Can I just put the engine in and not tell the insurance company (i know its not legal but would/could I get away with it), Or could I say that I put a 1.4 engine in and put a 1.6 engine in (more power and they look the same) Its going to have to pass an mot so I don't want to pay £400 odd and turn up to hear the garage say this isnt a 1.4 engine n not pass it, or not be able to insure it. I think you probably know the answer to your questions really. You could do it and maybe get away with it, but then again you might not. Same as anything illegal really. And as you've said, you know it's illegal. Anyway, the penalty for driving without insurance (which is what you'd be doing) ranges from a £200 fixed penalty notice and six points, to eight penalty points, to a maximum of £5000 fine, to having your car seized and even destroyed, all depending on the severity of the offence. Even harsher sentences if you had an accident in it or killed someone in it. Up to you really.
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Hey thanks guys. If i put in a 106 engine it would be running injection and would be complicated to fit, so i would have to pasy a friend to put it in. As for cleaning the carb up its not that, when i took it in it was running 7% emissions and they managed to get it down to 1.5% but try as they might it wasnt dipping bellow. Yeh he said that considering the work of getting the engine out and doing piston rings... it would be on for £1000 to rebuild. (this is coming from a trusted garage) The way i see it is that if I'm spending much more than £400 all in to get it back on the road, then the up in insurance i might aswell just sell it and get a 250 gti which is ironically dirt cheap to insure. thanks for the comments guys
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Can I just put the engine in and not tell the insurance company (i know its not legal but would/could I get away with it) You know that insurance companies can access the internet too, right? ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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i know we've had some silly questions on here and I normally try to ignore them but come on, asking if you'd get away doing something illegal!! stupid.. your question has already been answered, but why not try and work out whats wrong is it using lots of oil, how is it driven it might just need a good shot of something liek redex then taken for a decent run at high revs 'give it a good blast out' as many have said before when an emmissions question si posed, take it for a blast, rag the nuts off it and then take it for the test - every time I've ever doen this the emmissions drop.. I'm guessing as a 'poor student' its spent most of its life with 1/4 tank petrol and mostly in the red so curse word will have been dragged up into it too.. so try half a tank of the better fuel, drive it hard and add some additives redex or similar and try again.. i cant understand how they are saying piston rings need a change, just to lower the emmissions or am I missing something else!!! anyway, have a retro car or 2 ![](http://www.loxlee-loves-engines.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/Thai-retro-car-scene-1.jpg) ![](http://www.performancemetroclub.co.uk/files/imagemanagermodule/@random44f06371eecab/metro_6r4_front.jpg) ![](http://valuestockphoto.com/downloads/13371-2/beatle_car00707.jpg) ![](http://www.1stwebdesigner.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/blue-retro-car-hdr.jpg)
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Last Edit: Apr 6, 2011 9:17:55 GMT by EmDee
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`state
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Piston rings are cheap and easy enough to replace with the engine in the car.You could do the shells and headgasket with it for all of about 100 quid in parts.Find someone willing to do it on the side ect and you could have it done for acouple of hundred. don't listen to what garages quote you as they really cant be arsed with jobs like these and they`re overheads are stupid.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Hey yeh i know whats wrong with it, a few months ago the car overheated, this was due to a break in the coolant system n the fluid wasnt circulating to cool the engine. When this happend the engine must have worn alot as ever since then there is alot of smoke exiting the exhaught, (oily smoke) its not heaad gasket as the coolants fine... and snif test was fine. The oil does go down much have put about 10l in over the summer since it happend. So the way i see it (I'm no mechanic) to much oil i gtetting into the cylinder and being burnt thereford coming out of the exhaight. thanks
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ps. how can i do the rings with the engine in the car??
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`state
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Take the head off,undo the big end bolts and push the piston and rod up and out the top. Same way you`d do them if the engine was out!! Ive just changed the pistons in my 8v cav for 16v ones to up the compression ratio,took about 6hrs all done.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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well why didnt you start the thread with
Cars using too much oil so I cant get the emmissions down for it to pass an MOT, I'm attached to the car so don't really want to scrap it, so any ideas on what engine i could fit that wont mean my insurance goes up loads.......
then insert images of cool retro cars as a thanks in advance
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there are plenty of ways a head gasket can fail ![;)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png) - not just coolant in oil You may well of simply ruptured the head gasket in a place where the oil can get into the cylinder...
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Sorry about the opening post/question i was just at the end of my wit trying to save my little car, i know that i wouldnt of done it i just wanted any option i guess. Thanks for the understanding and the advise.
Yeh i know its probable something in the engine that could be done. But i was discouraged by the mechanic, he said that even if i did replace the piston rings the cyclinders may have worn out of shape and the problem may still pursist.
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What sort of condition is the engine in? What mileage has it done? If it's fairly low miles and in otherwise good condition it'd be worth doing the rings but if it's a 200k smoker it'd be easier and wiser to just hoik it out and put another (identical) engine in. You wouldn't want to go through doing all the rings only to find the big end bearings are going after a few hundred miles! ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png)
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done 140,000 and the most anoying thing is that it still drives beautifully, if it was missing all over the shop then id be fine letting the car go, but it seems to be fine when you drive it just a little urm dirty. Yeh the only thing is with putting a new engine in is that the xs model is fairly hard to get hold of so i duno if id be able to get one, then even if i did i wouldnt know what state it was in would i. Where would i get all the rebuild parts from? just so i can check some prices.
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