`state
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Mar 29, 2011 13:11:56 GMT
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My dailey is a mk2 cavalier hatch.Love it to bits but its getting alittle tatty.Last week it got broke into and they damaged the area around the door lock. I'm thinking of a decent alarm and welding the lock holes up.don't want to spend a fortune and as i love the murdered out look i thought about sorting the rust/dents out and painting it in satin.
Can you do a decent job with rattle cans.Theres some big areas like the bonnet and roof,would cans give a decent finnish? Or would i be better off with a proper spray gun and hiring the compressor? Can you clean satin ok? My car gets covered in mud almost weekely so will that wash off ok? And is satin likely to make it start rusting quicking with it not having a clearcoat?
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Mar 29, 2011 13:21:05 GMT
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Pro: it can look awesome Con: it can look dreadful
Car needs the right mods to carry satin black off and not just look chav
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 29, 2011 13:24:11 GMT
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My dailey is a mk2 cavalier hatch.Love it to bits but its getting alittle tatty.Last week it got broke into and they damaged the area around the door lock. Idiots I'm thinking of a decent alarm and welding the lock holes up.don't want to spend a fortune and as I love the murdered out look I thought about sorting the rust/dents out and painting it in satin. I must admit I'm a fan of the murdered look too however if it isent too scabby overall i would tidy it up in its original colour as you will loose a substantial amount of money spraying it satin (if its not worth much in its current state what have you got too loose)Can you do a decent job with rattle cans.Theres some big areas like the bonnet and roof,would cans give a decent finnish? You can do a decent job with satin in cans mate yes. You always get issues of lines but after a couple of decent thick coats wait for it to go a dull gloss (partially dried) then give it a dusting coat from a distance so you get a even coverage and you should be fine (i was ok when i did the golf that way)Or would I be better off with a proper spray gun and hiring the compressor? If you want a durable long last finish don't do satin i would say mate, you will always get a better finish in a dust free enviroment with a compressor though yesCan you clean satin ok? My car gets covered in mud almost weekely so will that wash off ok? It will be ok for abit yes, however old dirt seems to dry and stain the paint and if it isent lacquered it will dull very quickly (6 months) And is satin likely to make it start rusting quicking with it not having a clearcoat? You should be ok if you maintain it, however if you do go down the satin in a gun route you could always add a couple of coats of satin lacquer which would increase durability/longivity (sp) and also corrosion resistance :-)
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Mar 29, 2011 13:30:19 GMT
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Pro: most pattern replacement panels come pre-painted in the correct colour Con: at some point someone WILL use it as a blackboard
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"You're about as likely to come across a fully functioning old Jag, as you are a taxicab that smells agreeable." - James May
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Mar 29, 2011 13:32:15 GMT
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Mar 29, 2011 13:35:12 GMT
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Pro: most pattern replacement panels come pre-painted in the correct colour Con: at some point someone WILL use it as a blackboard However the paint that comes on panels is only a half arsed attempt at a protection coat, it isent rust resistant and isent good for painting on. If your buying new panels it has to be sanded off to do it properly :-)
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`state
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Mar 29, 2011 13:46:18 GMT
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The more pics the better,I'm useless with the computer so still cant upload them! Cars got some sort of damage on every panel.Roofs scratched,bonnets dented,theres dents on all the doors,valances and wings have rust spots coming through. I don't want to spend ahuge amout at the mo as I'm getting my mk1 astra resprayed so thats taking alot of cash up.Plan would be to paint this myself in the satin taking care of the rust/dent/locks then when ive got spare cash have a full resto done on it.But i want to protect it now so the rust doesent get any worst.Plus if it does get damaged/dented ect again i will be able to paint that panel. Golf looks well cool,bit different with the green roof but not ott.Nice borbets too.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Mar 29, 2011 13:57:57 GMT
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OK a slightly more expansive answer now I'm not on the phone posting.
A satin or even matt finish paint should give you the same level of anti rust protection as a gloss. Its only when people try to use primer as a colour coat that you get porosity.
Satin and matt can be more difficult to get a really good finish with than a gloss because you can't sand and polish it to make it right if it doesn't go on right. This means runs, orange peel and other stuff... Also areas where it goes on too wet and looks patchy.
That said its perfectly possible to get a reasonable finish with good quality rattle cans.
As for cleaning it,well, you obviously can't polish it... but some Anchor Wax and you are away really.
I don't know your Cavalier. If its low and rolling on some nice bright polished alloys or something, maybe with a factory (OEM+) style body kit, yeah, satin black can look the business. Stock ride height with plastic hub caps then its just looking like some snotter out the junk yard. There seems to be a rash of otherwise stock satin black and stickers equipped Saxos, Corsas and the like in Nottingham area right now and they look proper terrible.
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 29, 2011 13:59:08 GMT
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CHEERS! Well most spraying as I'm sure youve heard 100 times before is in the prep, if you see a blemish in primer or after youve sanded then do address it as satin will show it up 10X worse that it probably actually is. Prep Prep Prep!!! plus when you come to do it properly the satin will be good when sanded back to show any small blemishes needed to be addressed before you get that shiny coat layed down As above also, a daily on its yes however on stock steels and cracked bumper wont cut it
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Last Edit: Mar 29, 2011 14:01:05 GMT by metromon
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`state
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Mar 29, 2011 15:42:00 GMT
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Thanks alistairk thats just the info i needed,dident want to prep it prime it then after id done the satin it start to rust through like primer does. Metromon the prep wont be a problem.I'm a decorator so I'm well use to sanding down all day and loads of filling! Think I'm going to get a da sander too.
Oh cars lowered 40mm with 15" 5 spokes with a tuned 2.0 8v. Being the cdi its got the sill covers and front and back lower valances. I`ll get rid of the side strips and badges ect.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Mar 29, 2011 17:29:18 GMT
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Should look cool. Some gloss for contrast as with that VW id always a winner
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1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Mar 31, 2011 15:03:52 GMT
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Pro: It can give a tired old nail a 'new' lease of life Con: You will be the last owner of the car, or you will have to take pennies for it!
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Mar 31, 2011 15:36:05 GMT
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Pro: Chicks dig it Con: Keyboard warriors on de Interwebz will tell you its out of date and 'scene'..... (but they'd love it if it was a VW on BBS.... )
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hodaz
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Mar 31, 2011 15:43:52 GMT
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I'm thinking of satin blacking my Corrolla estate, think I will but only problem is as someone said above its pretty much consigning it to the scrap heap once I'm done with it as no one will ever buy it. Or some tight wad on here might offer you 10% over scrap value as long its got 12 months MOT, a full service history, loads of tax and is in mint condition... thats if your lucky!
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`state
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Mar 31, 2011 16:24:46 GMT
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I'm deffo not interested in what the Keyboard warriors on de Interwebz say,they can all go take a flying fu..... Also not bothered about the resale value as it`ll either get sprayed properly once ive got other projects out the way.Or i`ll write it off.Got no plans to get rid of it. Its more about tidying it up now so no rot sets in and i like the murdered/mad max style cars. I`ve made my mind up to do it,just need the astra into the paintshop to make room to do it.Oh and get this lexus out the way ive just bought to rape for the motor to put into the shuvitt.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Mar 31, 2011 16:38:43 GMT
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pros: we'll come back to that. cons: it looks curse word. you will never be happy with the finish. its been well overdone now. joe blogs general public will never understand it/ think it looks curse word. chicks do NOT dig it (apart from Helen Keller)
so the criteria is has to be cheap and cool........
matt white. fits both criteria and you could be an innovator and origionator. bare metal. i like it if done right. bare metal it and clear coat it, keep it shiny, make it an anti rust statement, change the scene! harlaquin. done on vws but do your own take? art car. cover it in graffiti/sharpie/finger paint. or my personal favourite.......... paint it all in primer, take it to a local school (pre arranged of course!) and get the kids to paint whatever designs they like on it! this does not have to be limited to schools, youth clubs, whatever, give some kids a proper giggle! clearcoat it over and have a crazy car! bonus points= mega respect for 'giving to the comunity' and chicks will chuffing LOVE you for being kind and caring for the kids!
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`state
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Mar 31, 2011 16:47:08 GMT
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Imo it doesent look curse word.What would look curse word is a car painted by 10 year olds with poster paint... Not bothered if its being `overdone` it was being done years and years before it became `scene` and it`ll go on for years. As for the chicks,i deffo don't care about that as I'm married with 2 kids.Those days are long gone. And do you really think joe bloggs and the general public understand,or could care less ,why i drive a mk2 cav? Too much is thought about whats `in` or `scene` with cars rather than doing it just for the hell of it.
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Mar 31, 2011 16:50:34 GMT
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at least i warned you that it will look curse word and you will never be happy with the finish!
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`state
Yorkshire and The Humber
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Mar 31, 2011 17:21:35 GMT
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Well if we all listened to your opinions the world would be a very boring place...
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Look at all the plastic people who live without a care.Try to sit with me around my table,but never bring a chair.
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Mar 31, 2011 17:57:35 GMT
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ok, deep breath.
1) Rattle cans will make it look pony. End of. Same as rollers and all the other curse word thats posted on the internet. Might look alright to some people, not to those who know what they are looking at or have remotely decent eyesight.
2) Laquer has no rust inhibiting properties whatsoever. Granted if you apply a basecoat that designed for laquer and you leave it you'll get problems, but if you do this then your are probably not safe to own a vehicle in the first place.
3) What the hell is all this "scene" curse word? It's a load of bull for people on the internet. Satin black has been done by hot rodders since the year dot. If you like it, do it. If your doing it to fit in with whats the current trend then you should probably sell your car and go hang around in H&M or one of those other god awful shops that have people in there that buy a T shirt because they like the logo rather than know the Band is belongs to or what policital figure's face is on there.
4) I painted my van with a 2 pack, direct gloss, direct application satin black. It's designed for machinery really, but its primer based so has good adhesion, rust inhibiting properties, can go directly onto bare metal but its also a very durable and waterproof topcoat. I painted it in a proper booth with the correct mask. Its only for home use if you don't intend to be using your lungs in the future.
5) As has been mentioned, its gun finish so if you cock it up you need to repaint. Also matching for repairs can be a bit of a pain as I noticed with mine it dulled down with time, but regular washing can make it slightly shinyier. I also wax mine occasionally with a spray wax.
6) If it doubt, ring a local paint supplier/auto factors.
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