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Still going, and keeping a sense of humour about it.
I bought myself an L322 last year, it's been a little trying but one of those cars you just love. It's now cost 5 times it's purchase price but is a relatively well sorted one and continues to munch the miles.
Pretty certain I wouldn't chop it for an L200 anyways...
One now has to wonder what the future of poor decisions will hold.
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Neat.
It wasn't the K-Series I was expecting, but cool all the same.
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Oct 18, 2021 12:17:44 GMT
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and thats the historical reason landrover stretched the 88 inch series3 to 90 inch ninety (the moniker land rover ninety was born) but it wasnt enough to fix inclement prop angles, so 90s are actually 92.7 wheel base Likely not the only reason. On leaf sprung utility cars the LWB cab was larger and had more internal room. This is highlighted by the need for a filler plate to go in the gap between the rear bulkhead and a truck cab if you have one fitted. With the 90 they wanted to have the larger cab space of the LWB models and also the same size load space as the SWB. This stretched the body length some to get everything in. Also noticable with the fact that SWB sides are interchangeable with a LWB and 110 Station wagon but not on a 90
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Oct 16, 2021 22:22:29 GMT
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Is this where we find out the decision to rebuild the engine without a crank grind and oversize bearing shells was in fact a bad one?
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Agreed, reading someone taking the mikey out of himself is always entertaining. I am a land rover man originally, but joined RR as there is more to life than just the green oval; I think most landy owners do have a bit of tunnel vision, and therefore are not on here. But luckily there are a few. Definitely a few of us on here. I'm definitely a Land Rover Man, but in more recent years have concluded I'm perhaps more of a hot rodder (or maybe restomodder?) Who prefers Land Rovers as a medium to work in. Good read so far, takes me back to some similar experiences when I first started messing with Land Rovers in the early 00's. We've all made bad decisions and bought the odd old nail, but that's part of the fun. Kind've inspires me to post a bit about some of my on-going projects, but time is the big issue. Anyways, it's been fun reading so far.
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I drop in from time to time. There's at least one M52 RRC in the UK.
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Might be worth getting a towing frame made up if you can just in case. That way you can rent/borrow a pickup to make sure you're where you'll say you'll be. Be aware that towing it would open up a whole new can of worms regards trailers and tachographs etc. Saying that, if the van itself comes in at over 3,500kg (and indeed if you're using it to tow a trailer with equipment on board) then you'll also have different licence and tachograph rules to consider. Worth researching to know you're right to start off rather than arguing it after being pulled and fined.
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May 17, 2020 14:07:54 GMT
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The truck thay got me into Land Rovers probably 30 years ago now. My Uncle bought and restored it in the mid 80's, used it for various things including carrying his trials motor around. He decided to sell it around 2005 and offered it to me for a decent price. A part ex on the 90 I had at the time, and pay the remaining £1000 on the drip. For reasons I still can't fathom I listened to the then girlfriend who told me I didn't need it and it went on ebay instead. Several girlfriends and an ex wife later, I'd still have had the Land Rover, and have instead spent a good chunk of the past 15 years trying to land myself with one. I've bought (and eventually sold) three as projects, worked on quite a few for other people and had a 101 on the road for a few years. Another project truck will be arriving at some point once lockdown is over. This one will be staying.
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May 16, 2020 20:11:43 GMT
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I've not seen one of these in ages. Again, small cheap cars that like rusting and owners who had little money or driving ability. Saw a couple with gas conversions back in the day. A big enough tank and you could do over 1000 miles for next to nothing. Super cheap motoring, but I'm not sure I'd want to go that far in one.
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Almost all the wheels in this thread are alloys. But on page 1 there are a few Steelies that have been banded. I reckon that is the ultimate solution. OEM wheels modified. I just like this, as it keeps the character of the car. Range Rover Rostyles were pretty spot on. Look quite smart banded. And suited the Land Rover 90 too.
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May 10, 2020 20:17:01 GMT
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No one likes three spokes... except apparently I do as they're the ones I remember most. Don't forget the original Range Rover alloys. They suited them down to the ground. I like the original Hurricane 18" alloys on our Discovery II (also fitted to some Range Rovers Yes!!! We have Hurricanes on both our D2's. Mine has just had a set of Grabber AT3's fitted and looks the dogs danglies for it.
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The Pimpweight returns!!!
I remember the build as it happened on ORRP back in the day.
Nostalgia!!!
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Original shape Discoverys are getting rarer. Used to struggle to give them away for more than £500 in the mid 2000's, but with the number scrapped due to rot or having the engines robbed when every man and his dog was doing a 200 Tdi conversion numbers have dropped. People are now restoring early ones, but it's now a bit of a challenge to find an example in either 200 or 300 flavour that isn't either chock rotten or a chavved up off roader. Other cars? I haven't seen a Ford Probe for years, or a Puma recently come to think of it... Vauxhall Omega and Frontera also seem to have pretty much dissappeared, whilst the MkIV Astra population is certainly dwindling considering that in the early 2000's seemingly every man and their dog had either the Astra or a Mk I Focus. The Isuzu Trooper hasn't been that common for a good few years either, rot being a big killer there... Other -more forgettable- things I haven't seen for years: Nissan Prarie, Fiat Marea, Skoda Felicia, Mazda 121 and Kia Pride, some more common than others. I'm also inspired to note I haven't seen a Tata Safari or Loadbeta for a good few years either, notable as the former Rover Dealer down the road from where I used to live had a franchise for them in the mid 2000's. They sold a few, and I ended up looking after a Safari at the garage I worked at. From memory it was pretty much dead at 5 years old, and near impossible to get bits for.
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The XC90 is a nice enough car, but not really something that sees a great deal of use for off road stuff asides maybe towong a horse box across a grassy field.
I believe it's a quirk of their AWD system that they're front wheel drive only in reverse.
I'd also consider a diesel E53 X5 as they have a better 4WD layout.
Personally I've a lot of love for Td5 Discoverys, the other half and I have one each. Both purchased for less than £500 in need of a bit of work, and both have proved to be a lot of car for the money. Spend a bit more and you can get something rather decent if you're prepared to be picky and wait for a gppd one.
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From what I can see the CLK230 blowers are sensibly priced (around £100) and are M62's? Linky? I think you’ll find they’re M45s. It gets confusing as you can get a CLK230 which is a 2.3 and one that’s a 1.8 - early 2.3’s used the M62 and later 2.3’s (and all 1.8’s) have the M45 from what I gather. M111 engine was available in both 1.8 and 2.3; M271 was only up to 1.8 so if it’s got a 271 part number it can’t be an M62. I’ve yet to see anything to the contrary but I think the M62 has an electric clutch on the pulley as well. It's that sort of knowledge that makes these thing worth discussing. Looks like the job has gotten a little more expensive, but given a bit of time and effort it should be achievable. I see the thinking behind just moving the turbo, but as it shouldn't be that bad to get a blower fitted up on the engine and good faith in the man doing the mapping I reckon it's worth having a go at, even if it's just to be able to say I tried it.
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From what I can see the CLK230 blowers are sensibly priced (around £100) and are M62's?
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Yes, the Td5 uses a 7PK belt which removes a couple of headaches to start.
I know the M62 is at the top end of its performance running the boost I'd be looking for on a 2.5 litre engine, and an M90 or M112 wouldn't be working anywhere near as hard, however as they are between 4 and 6 times the price of an M62 the idea of messing about with a load of cheap parts to see what happens goes out of the window.
Part of the reason I started looking at the idea was to try and reduce the footprint of the engine to fit it into a project vehicle. They're not massive to start, but the standard turbo hangs out quite a way to the one side which doesn't help packaging. If I get into dropping £650 on an M112 just to get started I'd be as well putting some time into making a different exhaust manifold and relocating the standard turbo.
I'm guessing that a decent size intercooler would be able to deal with an increase in charge air temperature, and being a turbo diesel to start it's already got one in the standard pipework.
Can anyone else a similarly cheap but higher flow blower than an M62?
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Apr 30, 2020 13:16:56 GMT
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Having done a bit more thinking, along with some measuring and some maths I've come up with the following. First off, the Td5 crank pulley is 170mm diameter, so running a 2.98 ratio on an M62 would need a 57mm drive pulley, which may be achievable. Having done a few other sums I've also worked out that a 60mm drive pulley would deliver 18.6psi, or 1.26 bar of boost. I'll need to see what size pulleys are available, and indeed what my man doing the mapping can work with. Ive had a quick look at M90 and M112 units, but they're quite a bit more expensive, and more than I'd really want to commit to a project that's mostly messing about to see if the concept works. Add in that I'm not pushing for big numbers, the improved bottom end performance will be nice, but other than that; performance something akin to the stage 1 map on my Discovery will be quite sufficient. My plan is to mount it on the engine where the Air Con compressor would be in the factory setup (above the PAS pump in the picture) then pipe the outlet through the standard intercooler. As for boost control at idle, I'll have to have a think on it. Diesels run weak by design, so I'd guess if the fuelling is right it should be quite happy, with improved engine braking to boot? I'm coming to think this could work quite well.
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Apr 29, 2020 13:01:42 GMT
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One of those hair brained ideas that has come to warrant further research as I've half an idea it may be viable.
So, time to pick the collective brains of people who may know more than me on the subject.
To the point of it all!!! I have a Land Rover Td5 engine sat on a pallet doing very little at the moment, and (for reasons I'm unsure myself) the idea of ditching the turbo and instead adding a Supercharger has come to seem like a good idea.
First port of call was looking at what was available on ebay, with a variety of Eaton M45 and M62 blowers from Mini's and Merc's popping up at less than £200.
Secondly I spoke to a mate who's tremendously good with ECU's and is well versed in the Td5 about sorting the mapping for it, and he was more than up for giving it a go if I got the hardware sorted. What I'm now looking to sort out is some of the maths surrounding the job, which isn't just so easy with limited data available. In standard turbo form the Td5 will sense an overboost and go into limp mode at approximtely 1.4 bar (or 20.3psi) of boost. As such it seems a reasonable target to try and hit with the Supercharger.
However this is what I've sussed so far;
An M62 has been quoted on delivering roughly 1 litre of air per revolution, whilst I believe the 2.5 (a 2.5 litre 5 cylinder) should draw 1.25 litres per rev.
So, with a target of 20.3psi above atmosphere (14.7) I want to be aiming for 35 psi total, so 35÷14.7 or 2.38 times what the engine would draw in N/A form.
So, if my thinking is correct the supercharger needs to push 2.38x1.25 litres of air for every turn of the crank, so 2.98 turns of the charger should deliver the required volume of air.
A redline of aprox 4200 rpm should see the supercharger topping out at 12,516rpm which is certainly well within the 14,000rpm maximum quoted for an M45.
I'm guessing there would be benefit (and not just for the plumbing) in retaining the intercooler and similarly a tube work to make an exhaust manifold which flows a little more freely as it wouldn't have to funnel everything through the turbo.
Any thoughts or feedback welcome, particularly toward correcting my maths if required.
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A brief update after its second MOT in our ownership.
Just over 15k miles in the year, and mostly without issue.
I bought another car with a rotten chassis which yielded a load of spares, and has allowed replacement of missing parts such as the rear wiper motor, and the addition of cruise control, whilst also leaving me with a complete driveline which owes less than £100.
A pair of shock absorbers on the rear has made it handle a little better, whilst I have a pair to go on the front when I find some time. A nearly new set of Terrafirma items at £50 seemed pretty good value.
A clutch slave around the same time (£13) improved the clutch pedal dramatically and also made it a more pleasant drive.
Other consumables included a pair of tyres at £45 each (eminently reasonable) which saw it sail through its test without issues.
It had a trip home on a recovery truck a few weeks back, as the 'green pipe' from the fuel pump (google it, common problem with Td5 Discoverys) meant no fuel getting to the engine, and no go. Bit of a pain getting the RAC to understand I just wanted a recovery and a patrol wasnt going to fix it by the roadside, and also that my trailer plus trials motor wasn't overly massive or heavy. However, the driver who turned up was good craic, and I was fortunate enough to be out of the way on a back road rather than the A595 which would have been a lot less fun.
A replacement pipe was sourced from the spares stock garned from the parts car, and it continues on unhindered.
The PAS pump is starting to get a bit noisy and will want changing soon, but I can't really knock it for that.
Who wouldn't want a Disco?
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