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Jul 13, 2010 13:14:15 GMT
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I had a thought, chop chop! The herald roof altho fine as it is could benfit from coming down and inch or 3, but where to start? advice welcome please!
The glass is very curved and I doubt I could get it cut to suit si is there a way to drop the roof and glass in one go?
All help appreciated!
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Roof Chops! How To and Help!HARDCORE
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Jul 13, 2010 13:26:46 GMT
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Sorry to be a misery guts but read all the IVA rules & regs and work out if you should chop the roof, before worrying how to chop the roof..
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Jul 13, 2010 13:32:10 GMT
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Hardcore is right.... is always best to check out the rules before sitting down to play the game, but with the Herald being a chassis build I'd have thought that it shouldn't be too difficult to comply. Glass is probably your biggest problem. Is get aroundable without having to use perspex though!
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Jul 13, 2010 13:32:40 GMT
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^^Word.
You live in a Big Brother Paradise, where "he" worries about you, the kitties, and the Little Sisters of Perpetual Iniquity. The big eye over the volcano is watching you, Frodo!
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markbognor
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Roof Chops! How To and Help!markbognor
@markbognor
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Jul 13, 2010 13:35:39 GMT
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Surely you can do anything you like to a herald body as they are on a separate chassis? Unlike cars that are a monocoque. Can you not unbolt the roof and make them into a cab, or is the whole rear tub roof and windscreen one part?
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Last Edit: Jul 13, 2010 13:36:15 GMT by markbognor
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Jul 13, 2010 13:42:53 GMT
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^^The volcano eye just blinked, Frodo! Run! Run!
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RobinJI
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Jul 13, 2010 13:52:19 GMT
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I know with mini's people often slope the screen a little more so as to reduce the hight without having to change it, although this could only be done a little before it would look odd. Other than that I think it's pretty much a case of chopping the pillars and angling them so that they meet again. Shouldn't bee too bad on a herald, as all the pillars are a pretty much continuous profile. The C-pillars might be best off having the height taken out of the base of them so as not to effect the shape of the pillars or rear screen this should allow the rear screen to be shortened easily.
As it wont need an IVA or similar, only the windscreen needs to be glass, although with the side windows being flat glass it would be easy to get them cut down.
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Jul 13, 2010 14:05:17 GMT
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Jul 13, 2010 14:08:22 GMT
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You can't cut the old glass cos it needs to be annealed before you can cut it without it shattering into a million pieces. If you know someone who has a large enough pottery kiln you could get away cheap.... but if you don't you will have to pay someone to do it for you. Laying the windscreen back might appear to be the easier option BUT..... the Herald has quarter lights IIRC so..... not as easy as a mini for sure.
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Last Edit: Jul 13, 2010 14:12:11 GMT by arrocuda
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Jul 13, 2010 14:12:59 GMT
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It was mentioned on here recently (VIP? Utterpiffle?) about the Moggy/Beetle hybrid pickup called Mogwai where the guy that roof chopped it simply slid the excess glass down behind the dashboard rather than having to try and cut it. Neat.
If I was roof chopping I'd want to keep all the windows as glass because personally I'm not keen on plastic windows unless it's a track car/drag car etc... The best solution these days which is often overlooked is to make perfect card templates of the glass then get your existing screens & windows waterjet cut. No risk of breakage (except accidents in transport & handling), a beautiful clean cut and this process will cut all types of glass.
You'll probably also need a donor roof to cut up because you'll be having to add in more metal as part of the chop.
Go for it. There aren't enough chopped cars out there and there needs to be. Sometime in the long distant future, one of my project cars will be getting a 5"-6" chop. Luckily for me all the glass is totally flat ;D
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Jul 13, 2010 15:02:44 GMT
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excellent replys thankyou all! a bit more reaserch and I'm gonna go for it, front screen is rather curver so may look into lowering the frame. Not enough weeks before RRG10 so will be ready for after!
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Jul 13, 2010 15:25:02 GMT
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Is good to see that you are up for it and enthusiastic. One thing to remember when you are planning a job like this is..... when you are thinking of modifying a panel or piece of glass and its surround. ALWAYS look at the adjoining panels and glasswork and ask yourself...... If I modify this piece in the way I'm thinking.... what will be the effect on all the other panels and glass that surround it? Think the whole project through to the last panel mod' before starting, rather than cut first.... ask the questions later.
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Jul 13, 2010 15:32:38 GMT
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^^ Cheers, I've no doubt a lot of questions will be raised, may even buy another rust bucket one from scrapyard to demo with! just to ensure I don't ruin a great car. Whats the phrase, measure twice and once more then cut. . .
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Jul 13, 2010 15:35:23 GMT
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if your going to chop the roof, make sure you can get a laminated screen first as the glass cutters can cut these fairly easily if you make them a pattern. the pattern is easy, simply lay some grp up on a std screen, bond a bar into it so it doesnt flex and you can hold it. then hold it (once its dried and you have peeled it off the glass former) into the new chopped hole and mark it with a pen - trim it and check - you need to make allowance for the rubber (you can even fit the grp screen in the car with the rubber to be 100% sure) once you are happy give the grp pattern and a couple of lammy screens to your local friendly glass cutter and jobs a good one. {iva paranoia on} if they are really crafty they will be able to chop the screen so it retains the correct markings......most glass places will also be able to make toughend flat glass for you as well - modern flat laminated glass can be too big for the seals on older cars{iva paranoia off}
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Loxlee
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Jul 13, 2010 15:37:41 GMT
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Go for it. There aren't enough chopped cars out there and there needs to be. Sometime in the long distant future, one of my project cars will be getting a 5"-6" chop. Luckily for me all the glass is totally flat ;D Chopped and sectioned Delica?.... ;D I've heard about the dropping the windscreen down behind the dash method as well and it seems quite a good idea if its possible.
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Jul 13, 2010 15:44:01 GMT
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^^ Cheers, I've no doubt a lot of questions will be raised, may even buy another rust bucket one from scrapyard to demo with! just to ensure I don't ruin a great car. Whats the phrase, measure twice and once more then cut. . . The roof unbolts no problem and is the screen frame not also removable? I know it is on earlier Spits and some TRs, not sure about the Herald. If noy you just need a bulkhead section and there must be plenty of knackered ones of those floating about.
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Jul 13, 2010 15:48:33 GMT
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if you have the room to sink the front and rear screens its possible, not always easy you need drain channels at the bottom unless your 100% sure you can seal where the rubber sits against the glass, there are better ways to cut glass these days though so it coule be more trouble than its worth.
Personally i've not seen many cars with raked screens that work, unless your building that sort of swoopy looking car it can look rather odd.
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Jul 13, 2010 15:52:47 GMT
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Chopped and sectioned Delica?.... ;D No. No. No. He's going to do those huge golf carts of his.
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Jul 13, 2010 16:02:00 GMT
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Chopped and sectioned Delica?.... ;D No. No. No. He's going to do those huge golf carts of his. You knows it. ;D Take one Hustler, chop up to 6" from its height, rake the screen a bit and voila....squashed golf cart THe best bit, I can chop it even after the IVA because the upper frame (where the glass all sits) is seperate to the chassis frame where all the running gear is mounted. Awesome. Can't chop it before the IVA though because all the markings on the glass are in the area I'll need to remove.
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