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Oct 23, 2009 21:17:46 GMT
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Very close to recieving my new toy and need some assistance from the japanese gurus. First is that before I get into fabricating a sump I need to know if there is a factory sump for the S14 engine which is front drop .
Second what is the wiring like, is the engine loom seperate like a ford or do I need to use the dash etc if I implant the engine into something else.
Thanks in advance for any assistance.
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Oct 23, 2009 22:22:39 GMT
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The S14 sump is front drop, so you might not need to do anything.
The wiring is ok. Better off using the S14 ecu and loom as the NATS security on the S14a can be a pain. You can fully disconnect the engine loom from the car, but you may want the plugs off the chassis loom to help power it up. I actually traced these back to the relay/fuse box and pulled the relays out as well.
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1962 Ford Thunderbird 6.4L
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS CA18DET
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS SR20DE
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Oct 24, 2009 13:20:07 GMT
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I fitted mine using the engine loom and the ecu only....i added my own relays and fuses and stripped out the stuff that wasn't necessary. It's a bit of a head muddler,but can be done with the wiring diags available on the sxoc.
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Oct 24, 2009 14:28:20 GMT
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Looks like I was fed the wrong info on the sump then, that saves a job.
Is the only difference on the loom between s14 and s14a the immobilser then , and can it be retro fitted quite easily.
I was hoping to trace the engine loom back to the fuse board to find just a couple of live feeds and an earth, is this assumption correct then (lives are fed through relays though).
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Oct 24, 2009 15:26:37 GMT
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Once you've id'd and stripped off what you don't need (there's a plug that goes to the abs system and the aircon system) and wired up lives to an ign relay and the fuel pump relay,you'll need a couple of earths for the ecu and a permanant live and a live from ign on,that's pretty much it. There was some other stuff i junked too,but i can't remember exactly what now. Live i said,you're best joining the sxoc and getting hold of as many diagrams as you can to cross reference. I'm not sure on the differences between the two ecu's.....mine was the s14. I found out of the whole engine swap,the electrics was the hardest bit...it made my head hurt!
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Oct 24, 2009 21:05:20 GMT
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Nice one , cheers for the help, not overly frightened by the electrics as have done Jo's zetec viva twice and various other technical electrical stuff . Will join the sxoc when the car arrives as will be ideal place to shift excess parts like leather trim and axles .
If I do get stuck with anything could I trouble you for advice??
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Oct 24, 2009 23:38:51 GMT
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Dude, didn't realise it was you, until you mentioned the viva. We've spoken a few times down the Dick Turpin.
What's the engine going in?
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1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS CA18DET
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS SR20DE
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If I do get stuck with anything could I trouble you for advice?? Yeah of course
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Oct 25, 2009 10:30:34 GMT
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Dude, didn't realise it was you, until you mentioned the viva. We've spoken a few times down the Dick Turpin. What's the engine going in? Decided that after 11 years of pinto power and Jos car being quicker I need more power, and an S14a may have arrived that has all the right bits and supposedly 370 bhp
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Oct 25, 2009 12:09:49 GMT
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would the S13 CA18DET be just as good and no nats ? Cheaper, even after fixing the usual knackered bearings. Nice car btw
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Oct 25, 2009 12:58:40 GMT
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Really did not want to go for the s13 route due to the bearing issues , and then this s14 turned up anyway.
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Oct 25, 2009 18:52:29 GMT
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Just use S14 loom and ecu to avoid the NATS.
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1962 Ford Thunderbird 6.4L
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS CA18DET
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS SR20DE
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Nov 21, 2009 21:27:01 GMT
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Been let down with the s14a I was after so now on the look out for another donor. May be a silly question but is the s13 engine physically the same as the s14 or are they totally different. ie same block design.
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Nov 21, 2009 21:59:35 GMT
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They're totally different,the ca18 is a 1.8 cast iron block with belt driven cams and the sr20 is alloy block with chain driven cams.
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Nov 22, 2009 10:39:02 GMT
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Thats what I thought , just wanted to confirm.
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Nov 22, 2009 12:52:01 GMT
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Last Edit: Nov 22, 2009 12:52:27 GMT by bigkris
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Nov 22, 2009 17:03:23 GMT
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I think Dan with the black F100 mentioned SRB power to me , thought he may be able to help with a doner car was going to see him at Deviltorque meet but did not get there. I have been told that ca18 are week and to not use one but now at the point were the cortina is stripped and I need a doner 200sx and have found a cheap s13, but think I'm going to wait , no point doing the work and then start again when I blow it up.
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Nov 22, 2009 17:09:42 GMT
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Is the CA18DET really that bad? Surely it's just a case of not being upto the task of sustained drifter abuse? Do they not make for good fast road engines when treated with a bit more respect?
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Nov 22, 2009 17:13:50 GMT
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The only weakness of the CA18DET is that they have big ends go if they're not serviced properly. Why it happens isn't known but my theory is that the dipstick being very hard to read has led to many CA's with low oil which has accelerated the wear. However, rebuild a CA or just get one thats looked after and it isn't an issue.
The SR's have their fair share of issues. Guess what, the big ends go in these as well. They SR's suffer from bad rocker wear on poorly serviced engines and the well abused engines have rockers snap.
For some reason though, the SR20 has a lot more fan boys.
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Last Edit: Nov 22, 2009 17:14:36 GMT by 30psi
1962 Ford Thunderbird 6.4L
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS CA18DET
1981 Datsun Bluebird SSS SR20DE
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Nov 22, 2009 17:28:46 GMT
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the CA really aint that bad at all, most powerful silvia in the UK for quite a while was CA powered, pushing out over 600bhp... mind you, FJ20ET is the way you wanna go if you want mega power and retro cred...
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RWD Fanatic...
2003 BMW 320d Wagon (getting old and boring) 1996 Mini Kensington (SWMBO's)
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