Rob M
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Bloody scrappage scheme!Rob M
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Sept 18, 2009 22:06:54 GMT
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swaping old for newer wont work. the car has to have been in dear old biddies name for over a year. Only if it goes through the scrappage scheme. Actually IF there was a way to find these Oldies with lovely old cars they can no longer drive and offer them a nice comfy 90s tat mobile to swap with, its an idea that could have legs.  Straight swap, no problems and they could even put their savings back under the matress as it wouldnt cost em a penny!! If only there was a way.......... |
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madmog
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Bloody scrappage scheme!madmog
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Sept 18, 2009 22:09:04 GMT
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anyone know who funds this scheme? uk government? or the EU? UK taxpayer. You and me |
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Sept 18, 2009 22:22:54 GMT
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swaping old for newer wont work. the car has to have been in dear old biddies name for over a year. The idea is that if the old geezer wanted a newer car, he could just swap with your 1996 fiesta/clio and use that, then you get the nice 1978 corolla/ mk2 escort/mk1 astra to hit with the stick ftw  |
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1993 Fiat Panda Selecta
2003 Vauxhall Combo 1.7DI van
2006 Mercedes Kompressor Evolution-S AMG SportCoupé
"You think you hate it now, wait til you drive it"
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Sept 19, 2009 0:28:50 GMT
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300m was allocated from the last budget for the scrappage scheme. 1000 is met by the government and the other 1000 is met by one of the 38 vehicle companies who have signed up. The scheme is due to cease in March 2010... or until money has been exhausted.
But it's okay, becuase cuts were made in the NHS (again) and there was a 20% cut to the welsh assembly government..which caused our local college to close down... happy times. Hope all the people out there who REALLY needed a new car are happy... also...taking out credit on a car during the credit crunch? Hardly a good idea. I mean, if they're new car is taken away, they won't have their trusty old allegro to fall back on.. no siree, that's gone to the tip!
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Sept 19, 2009 7:01:58 GMT
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Ahem, AFAIK, the greatest beneficiaries have been Kia and Hyundai, neither of which have f-all to do with the Britsh motor industry. Blokes a bell-end. This is what annoys me the most I thought the scheme was suppose to benefit the motor industry HERE yes Kia and hyundai have people in dealerships and other things but no factorys and they never will as that would get rid of thier biggest selling point price! They weren't exactly struggling before it all started either this scheme was just a catalyst for more sales I can already see cheap cars are getting thinner on the ground as I was looking for a car for the end to end rally next year (rules state £150 or under) I dread to think if they came up with this in the 80s well depends what way you look at that ;D |
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Sept 19, 2009 7:39:33 GMT
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I see Ken Gibson was bleating in the Stun about how the scheme should be carried on, to keep all those British car workers employed. Ahem, AFAIK, the greatest beneficiaries have been Kia and Hyundai, neither of which have f-all to do with the Britsh motor industry. Blokes a bell-end. I agree, too little too late, why couldnt they do this while Rover were struggling? |
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MWF
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Sept 19, 2009 9:38:10 GMT
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The British automotive industry is mainly made up of tier-1 suppliers to the major automotive manufacturers, so it's short sighted to say cars manufactured abroad don't benefit our industry.
We may not make many vehicles any more but we still make a lot of parts that go into them and machinery to build them. That's why it's a real concern for us when companies like Ford and GM start to look unstable.
Countries like Korea and China are now seen as major exporting opportunities for us, it's now them holding the trade fairs to source global suppliers.
It's easy to blame the scrappage scheme but it's the end result of a much bigger social problem with living beyond our means. IMO the automotive industry should be forced into increasing the life cycle of new cars so there's less impact on the environment and our economy is less dependent on new car sales.
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ChasR
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Bloody scrappage scheme!ChasR
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Sept 19, 2009 11:07:47 GMT
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What MWF said.
As said, Britain employs alot of people still in the automotive industry.
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richy
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Sept 19, 2009 12:02:11 GMT
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The British automotive industry is mainly made up of tier-1 suppliers to the major automotive manufacturers, so it's short sighted to say cars manufactured abroad don't benefit our industry. We may not make many vehicles any more but we still make a lot of parts that go into them and machinery to build them. That's why it's a real concern for us when companies like Ford and GM start to look unstable. I'm not sure quite how strong the tier-one role is over here any longer. We're better further down the supply chain, and in supplying aftermarket replacement parts. |
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MWF
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Sept 19, 2009 12:48:03 GMT
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The British automotive industry is mainly made up of tier-1 suppliers to the major automotive manufacturers, so it's short sighted to say cars manufactured abroad don't benefit our industry. We may not make many vehicles any more but we still make a lot of parts that go into them and machinery to build them. That's why it's a real concern for us when companies like Ford and GM start to look unstable. I'm not sure quite how strong the tier-one role is over here any longer. We're better further down the supply chain, and in supplying aftermarket replacement parts. I'd say it's hard to quantify, I can only speak from my own experience. One of my clients is a Tier-1 automotive supplier and they are doing better than ever at the moment (recent contractual win was an American truck manufacturer surprisingly). I also have a friend who's an automotive engineer and the vast majority of suppliers he talks about are UK owned. But I don't deny it's a constantly changing industry, we have the people with experience, knowledge and developed skills so we have the technical advantage. But in terms of employment it seems the future will have to be more automation so it may go like the financial industry where there's a lot of money but not a lot of jobs. Effectively following aerospace where manufacturers want the quality and confidentiality of a UK business but at the mass produced cost comparable to overseas options. |
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richy
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Sept 19, 2009 14:24:56 GMT
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It does seem a pity, however, that while trade body the SMMT was whinging on about how good the scr*pp*ge scheme would be, it has distanced itself from the parts industry.
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Sept 19, 2009 18:06:39 GMT
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You don't have to tell me about parts suppliers, I worked for one until Nov last year (still had a few Clio V6 engine covers lying about....) when one of the toerags up top allowed our major customer to 'borrow' the process and go in-house.... suffice to say the Administrators were not impressed and said customer is now being stung for royalties on each component made - still didn't help the 120 who were laid off though.
As for helping Rover; realistically they were dying from the moment BMW dropped the R100 in 1997, which at the time was 40% of the companies income and didn't replace it. Hence we now have all the Kia/Hyundai/Proton/Daewoo/Tingtong Motors thingies infesting our roads instead of rust R100's and their successors. I suppose the CityRover was to be the answer to that, but it was about five years too late, the market had gone. (As an aside, someone at work had his four-year-old CityRover scrapped after having the radiator and front bumper damaged by some numptie on a scooter - no new spares so......)
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Rover Metro - The TARDIS - brake problems.....Stored
Rover 75 - Barge
MGZTT Cdti 160+ - Winter Hack and Audi botherer...
MGF - The Golden Shot...Stored
Project Minion........
Can you see the theme?
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Sept 19, 2009 18:12:41 GMT
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I haven't read this thread through, no doubt it's much like the others, but I will add this,
I've yet to hear of a car that was in anything other than "mint" condition.
Before the scheme all the cars for sale seemed to be rot boxes yet now they're mint?.
And it belongs in the bin ( i'm suprised it's reached this far ).
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