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Aug 11, 2005 18:58:02 GMT
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Hello old skool sparco harnesses....    heeeeee heeee ;D |
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Aug 11, 2005 19:02:46 GMT
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excleent, those lap straps are more dangerous than nothing at all. Harnesess justl ike those except black stopped me going through the windscreen of my imp, good buy i say!
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Aug 11, 2005 19:09:33 GMT
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yea, id rather not be severed (spelling?) in two when i brake......not that the brakes are any good mind.....
what brakes are you running blownimp?
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BigWig
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Aug 11, 2005 19:12:11 GMT
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You might get away with those low back seats but have you tried laying down into the passenger seat whilst belted up?
If you can't then expect your head to take the impact in a hard roll, then expect a wheel chair from your broken neck. Harsh but true!
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Aug 11, 2005 19:14:28 GMT
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You might get away with those low back seats but have you tried laying down into the passenger seat whilst belted up? If you can't then expect your head to take the impact in a hard roll, then expect a wheel chair from your broken neck. Harsh but true! Yeah thats right! And, do you wear fireproof overalls everywhere you go? No? Well then, you're at risk of getting burned to a crisp at any moment! |
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Aug 11, 2005 19:15:16 GMT
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don't understand the 1st sentance there mate, but yea they're loose enough to give some slack......... I'm not belted up so tight i cant move.
sobering thought though.
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BigWig
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Aug 11, 2005 19:19:57 GMT
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Mr_Bollox, I only said it becuase I know someone thats in a rasberry ripple chair because of buckets/harnesses and no cage. I'm safety mad because of my motorsport up bringing.  I love the harnesses by the way, so long as you can roll over into the passenger seat like you say then you should be ok. |
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BigWig
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Aug 11, 2005 19:25:45 GMT
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Don't mean to be a complete twatting bore but what angle are the straps going off at as they exit the back of the seat?
And have you got big sandwich plates behind the eye bolts?
Only thinking of you!
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Nick
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Aug 11, 2005 19:27:24 GMT
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bigwig please explain more about this, not doubting you at all i just want to know more about what you mean, last thing i think any of us want is to be hurt whilst enjoying our cars...was the person you know injured from being pinned inplace and the roof crushing in on them?
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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Aug 11, 2005 19:33:45 GMT
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Don't mean to be a complete twatting bore but what angle are the straps going off at as they exit the back of the seat? And have you got big sandwich plates behind the eye bolts? Only thinking of you! 30 - 45 ish degree i think......was told this was ok....correct? harnesses cos me nowt and were left from a previous project, seemed rude not to fit em ;D any safety advice is always welcome  |
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Aug 11, 2005 19:34:57 GMT
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You might get away with those low back seats but have you tried laying down into the passenger seat whilst belted up? If you can't then expect your head to take the impact in a hard roll, then expect a wheel chair from your broken neck. Harsh but true! Yeah thats right! And, do you wear fireproof overalls everywhere you go? No? Well then, you're at risk of getting burned to a crisp at any moment! i allways wear a condom under my clothes.......never be toooo careful  |
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Aug 11, 2005 19:37:33 GMT
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Mr_Bollox, I only said it becuase I know someone thats in a rasberry ripple chair because of buckets/harnesses and no cage. I'm safety mad because of my motorsport up bringing. I love the harnesses by the way, so long as you can roll over into the passenger seat like you say then you should be ok. Fair enough like, but surely he is 'better off' safetywise (at least statistically!) with these harnesses than he was previously with the lap belts. If we're then gonna talk about the risk of tipping the car over and squashing the roof flat, the only real antidote to that is a roll cage surely. You cant make a wisecrack at the fact that he has fitted a set of harnesses. I would have thought. |
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT! |
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Aug 11, 2005 19:37:43 GMT
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i have standard brakes, they have improved significantly since i stripped the car out. The last time i used the belts didnt have much to do with brakes, well it did if you consider an oak tree to be a brake!
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Aug 11, 2005 19:39:32 GMT
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Oak trees offer outstanding retardation performance compared to many of the more 'mechanical' commercially available braking systems.
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Aug 11, 2005 19:41:57 GMT
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Oak trees offer outstanding retardation performance compared to many of the more 'mechanical' commercially available braking systems. rather the mechanical route though ;D |
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Aug 11, 2005 19:42:24 GMT
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shove you willwood this and ur brembo that, I'm an oak man though and through |
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BigWig
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Aug 11, 2005 19:45:16 GMT
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"was the person you know injured from being pinned inplace and the roof crushing in on them?"
Yes Nick, exactly that.
Because as many of you already know when you sit in a proper bucket seat with four harness holes and meaty shoulder bolsters, fully strapped up, try moving left to right, you can't. The left to right movement is where your body would be trying to go under hard cornering because obviously the whole purpose of the bucket seat is to keep you in one position under these conditions. And the harnesses obviously stop you from going through the windscreen which is always good. An advantage to say the least.
Turning the tables imagine rolling the car heavily, the roof caves in leaving you no where to go, your f*cked, you can't duck down into the passenger compartment or even move for that matter. A real disadvantage.
Obviously it depends on the angle the impact was taken and the speed/level of damage, but in all fairness, it is only the door posts and so on that keep the roof where it is, retro motors even more so, safety wasn't an issue back in the day.
Bucket seats with your conventional seat belt isn't so much of a hazard its more the bucket and harness combination that can be the menace.
For my 2p's worth, for anyone that gives a flying, a bucket and harness isn't worth a sh1t without a cage <in a lot of cases>
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Last Edit: Aug 11, 2005 19:47:14 GMT by BigWig
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Aug 11, 2005 20:07:40 GMT
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true, but many, including myself will not be competing in any motorsport or driving like a mad one in thier retro cars.....we have other cars for that. i have a retro car because its retro, because its a little quirky and unsafe and well mad.
ive been involved in two motorcycle accidents recently so am well aware of my own mortality....possibly the only reason I'm still alive is i went over the car in both cases...not hitting them, so the freedom of movement idea bigwig proposed makes alot of sense to me.
id panic if i couldnt move in a crash anyway......esp if i was held in place.
harnesses and buckets are usually for looks and then the fact they are better than the std items at thier jobs.
just me 2p
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Bye Bye Lapstraps......slater
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Aug 11, 2005 21:05:37 GMT
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Ive herd people argue that point before BigWig but it allways seems to come to the conclusion that harnesses with proper race seats give so much more protection in any other kind of shunt than a hard roll that its better to take the risk and use them. That said if your going to be going fast enough to roll the car you should have a cage obviously  Never rolled a car but flipped karts alot and you cirtanly never get time to 'Duck' the G force of you rolling tends to pull you up out of your seat anyway. |
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Nick
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Aug 11, 2005 21:15:27 GMT
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then on the other hand you get the problem of having a lot of metal bars exposed if you have a rollcage, so mnore advice if you have a cage in your roadcar and drive it regularly ... put proper fia spec rollcage padding on.. not pipe lagging
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idea stolen from rattely eddie.
this weeks car count "5"
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