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Jan 17, 2009 19:02:06 GMT
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Was it just me.... or had they cut a big chunk out? I seem to remember the guy being stuck in traffic and deciding to go the spooky truck riddled way to get out the jam and meet Forbes?
(That said, I first saw it when I was about 16 and no doubt full of drugs!)
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Jan 17, 2009 19:06:02 GMT
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www.stlouisdumptrucks.com/Duel/index.htmlShame they showed the tv version of the film, and not the cinema version with the 'rail road crossing' and the 'school bus' scenes. These were shot later, with different trucks if you look carefully. The original Duel truck was trahed at the end, the cliff scene had to be done in one take. One of the other trucks used to shoot the cinema scenes is the surviving one in the link above. Ah yes just remember i was waiting for the rail cossing scene and it never came up.
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Duel - ITV4jettadeluxe
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Jan 17, 2009 19:39:16 GMT
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Was it just me.... or had they cut a big chunk out? I seem to remember the guy being stuck in traffic and deciding to go the spooky truck riddled way to get out the jam and meet Forbes? (That said, I first saw it when I was about 16 and no doubt full of drugs!) You're thinking of the cinema version, this was the original version for tv
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Jan 17, 2009 20:17:03 GMT
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This made me titter: Did they make a Valiant Hemi? Also, if the truck can only do 74 mph flat out, how come Dennis Weaver has a problem?
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Jan 17, 2009 20:47:22 GMT
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I would love to own that original truck. Would scare a few middle lane hoggers on the M6. Also, ive seen the longer version on TV before. At the start hes stuck in traffic in the city. I didnt watch all of it last night, takes the pee when you gotta get up at 5am for work on a saturday
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Jan 17, 2009 22:24:51 GMT
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great to see it again after so many years, i remember watching it as a kid in 1980 on tv and being scared of that big dirty a$$ truck and the menacing drivers sunglasses and laughing at dennis weaver panicking at the top of the hill when his valiant dropped to about 20mph. we all laughed at the time thinking a fiat 126 could have out run that valiant, in the school playground the monday after!
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Great film, havent seen it in about 15 years. Missed it tonight though!
Wasnt it Spielbergs first film though?
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Great film, havent seen it in about 15 years. Missed it tonight though! Wasnt it Spielbergs first film though? I think it was the first film released with him as the director but I believe it wasn't intended to be a cinema release, just a made for TV type movie.
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Jan 18, 2009 10:02:38 GMT
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Also, if the truck can only do 74 mph flat out, how come Dennis Weaver has a problem? Down the pass he was in the gravity gear fella I'm limited to 56 but i could hit 76 in the gravity gear if i was so inclined on a few good hills. ;D
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Jan 19, 2009 10:58:06 GMT
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There certainly was a lot cut out of the version on the telly.
I remember the traffic jam intro and missed that as its great for car spotting in context. He follows a '66 Chevy Caprice or Impala for a while. Lovely. Changes the radio station a bit as well IIRC.
Not sure about it being made for TV but just cut for TV as its a Universal cinema logo at the begining of the film?
With the whole thing about speed limmiters and that we are forgetting its a film, not real life. Theres a line where he says "what kind of souped up diesel must he have in that thing" - or something similar, so its obviously meant to be some fast truck!
Nothing is said of the Valiant's power, I remember an underhood shot of the rad hose bursting from one version I saw I am sure. Anyway, like as not that Valiant would have been a slant 6 not a V8 as its a base model 4 door sedan.
The character is supposed to be a "clean cut" kind of a square guy, not some kind of hot rodder or anything. Hints on this are that he cruises at like 40 MPH on the open road and listens to talk radio stations.
I like these older films as stuff is done more realistically, I know "its a movie not real life" but if this were made today Weaver would be doing 160 MPH and then hand brake it round a bend in perfect CGI motion. YAWN. Seeing stuff drive at realistic speeds and swerve and spill is where its at.
Someone not long ago was scoffing at how Weaver says "I have to keep it at 90, I've never done it before" but ignoring the fact he's talking about averaging 90 MPH across a 5 mile section of windy and fairly steeply inclined road, which would be a good challenge in a 1969 Valiant and probably would be a fair challenge in a 1999 Accord or something.
I think modern films with their special effects have taken the reality out of car chases, its all CGI and no driving. OK, they look great, but they have lost their real connection.
I love Duel.
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Jan 19, 2009 11:38:57 GMT
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There certainly was a lot cut out of the version on the telly. I remember the traffic jam intro and missed that as its great for car spotting in context. He follows a '66 Chevy Caprice or Impala for a while. Lovely. Changes the radio station a bit as well IIRC. Not sure about it being made for TV but just cut for TV as its a Universal cinema logo at the begining of the film? It was made as a tv film first, by Universal. It never had the city scenes, the bit where he phones his wife, the railroad crossing, or the schoolbus scenes. It was around 74 minutes long Later, when gaining in popularity after the tv screening, Universal wanted to release it on the cinema, and Spielberg filmed the additional scenes to bring it up to 90 minutes.
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Jan 19, 2009 12:22:11 GMT
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ah, fairy muff.
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Jan 19, 2009 12:45:34 GMT
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Someone not long ago was scoffing at how Weaver says "I have to keep it at 90, I've never done it before" but ignoring the fact he's talking about averaging 90 MPH across a 5 mile section of windy and fairly steeply inclined road, which would be a good challenge in a 1969 Valiant and probably would be a fair challenge in a 1999 Accord or something. I agree! Imagine what sort of tyres you'd have on a late 60s family car, how vague the steering would be at that speed, brake inefficiency, condition of the road surface, etc. Nowadays it doesn't seem much of a big deal when he goes over 70mph, but when you see the skinny tyres flexing around and the suspension reaching its limits, you can see that the car is quite a handful indeed. It's exciting to watch, whoever was driving must have been pretty ballsy and I bet there were a few unscheduled trips into the dirt! I think the key thing to remember is that the gap between ordinary cars and sports cars was a lot wider back then, seems like nowadays anyone can jump in an ordinary saloon and do sports car speed without consequence - why a basic family car needs discs all round, low profile tyres, ABS, traction control, etc. is another matter.....
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Jan 19, 2009 13:17:22 GMT
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even with all the modern doo-dads I bet you'd still be going some to average 90 MPH over that stretch of road.
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Jan 19, 2009 13:33:27 GMT
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I think modern films with their special effects have taken the reality out of car chases, its all CGI and no driving. OK, they look great, but they have lost their real connection. I dunno, lots of earlier films (many of which are paraded as having proper chases in) have geared up camera effects, improbable physics done with cutting and some atrocious fake bodied cars. Recent films like Batman Begins had the hero car built for real doing real stunts, Death Proof was done in the style of older movies but with no effects to make the action look faster than it was.
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Jan 19, 2009 13:36:01 GMT
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Most of the chase scenes from Duel were used in a episode of the Incredible Hulk, and a storyline worked around them.
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Jan 19, 2009 14:00:36 GMT
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I don't know about speed limiters over in the States but when Smokey and the Bandit was on recently the truck featured was pulled over by the police for doing 90MPH. Maybe they didnt have speed limiters back then. Without a limiter trucks can get up to some fantastic speeds. Older trucks have steel leaf spring suspension, much choppier ride but you can go round corners much quicker. Modern stuff with "elephants feet" airbag suspension are much smoother to drive but arnt as quick round the corners.
I think I may just get Dual on DVD from Amazon or something... I forgot what a good film it was!
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Jan 19, 2009 14:00:49 GMT
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Most of the chase scenes from Duel were used in a episode of the Incredible Hulk, and a storyline worked around them. However, due to an administrative error, the only scenes used in the end were ones which did not feature moving vehicles. The finished episode revolved around Bruce Banner going to a ropey diner and asking for a cheese sandwich and some aspirin.
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Jan 19, 2009 16:31:08 GMT
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LOL @ Hirst.
And having been passed by 18 wheelers on the US freeways I can attest they don't have a speed limiter now either, unless they are limmited to 155 MPH or something.
MWF - didn't say all old films were perfect. Perhaps some of the dafter cuts and such we allow when watching the movie with rose tinted specs too.
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Jan 19, 2009 16:47:21 GMT
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Some of the bigger US trucks could do 120mph with a full load and apparently over 150mph empty if you were brave enough to risk the tyres falling apart and the brakes catching fire even back in the 80's.
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Volvo back as my main squeeze, more boost and some interior goodies on the way.
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