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Plus points : Will Lightburn's Datsun 120y with 1.8T Nissan Silvia engine (well written article by Andrew Everett) Toyota Corona race car Fiat 124 (turbo! ) How To ... Go Sprinting Negative points : MGB Buyers guide, like we need another one! Plus MGB Suspension alignment (hello? Practical classics?) Jaguar E-type!? Toyota Corona, should have been featured long ago and is now just another in a long stream of Classic Touring Car championship cars (lazy). Drift Club,.. surely covered last year by Bryn? Ginettas,.. lovely cars, article exactly like one that was in Classic and Sports Car magazine just over a year ago! So..... Getting there... but still straying waaaaay to far into Classic Cars, Practical Classics et al. area. Nice to see pictures Brian Burrow's new Beetle in the VW Modifiying guide, however no details on the actual car (which is pretty awesome).
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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New Retro Cars Mag,..DarrenW
@darrenw
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MGB Buyers guide, like we need another one! Plus MGB Suspension alignment (hello? Practical classics?) Jaguar E-type!? Hmmm... I think for the first time I'll be leaving it on the shelf... No offence to MGB or E-Type fans/owners but it does get a trifle repetitive in EVERY old car mag EVERY month...
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Got mine this morning and couldn't believe it when I saw that E-Type, however the Datsun and the Fiat more than made up for it but I think they need to get thy're act together if they're gonna go back to the form that they were in when it was first launched!
Edit: Is it me or is that grey Moggy proper ugly?
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It is still a good mag but it has changed since launch. Mine arrived this morning and its still the best mag out there. They just need to be carefull that they don't go down the Practically Jurassic/ Crassics route.
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I dare say what's happening is that they've realised there's so much more money in featuring the big specialists who deal in the popular (read profitable) mainstream classics like MGBs and E-types than in being eclectic, and although I still think it's a good magazine and there aren't really any better modded classic ones around, I hope they don't go down that road, like Practical classics and their "BMC/Jaguars only please and none of that rotten foreign stuff" philosophy, or down the route that some customised car mags have been known to go down where they start featuring nothing but big budget projects by big companies (who're paying loads for a feature obviously!), and nothing by the regular guy who doesn't have loads of money but has done a great job on his own motor, as I don't buy magazines to be smacked in the face by adverts, I buy them to be entertained and inspired, and you can't do that when all you read is "Buy From Us!!" on every page. Magazines filled with adverts, another of the evils of capitalism, eh comrades?! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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Oh blimey Revs off on one again. ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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I bought an American magazine called Hi-Beamz the other day to see what it was like since i'd never seen it it before and although the cars were like even more extreme Max Power style and the paper they used is not much better than newspaper they have no adverts in there at all, other than the obligitary subscribion ad. It made a nice change to not have to flick through the hundreds and hundreds of adverts just to get to the end of the magazine (which is usually what I look at first for the classifieds) I don't know if it would be possible to have a magazine over here minus the adverts but surely it would be possible to have a seperate/pullout part just for adverts.
Thats my 2p's worth!
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I dare say what's happening is that they've realised there's so much more money in featuring the big specialists who deal in the popular (read profitable) mainstream classics like MGBs and E-types than in being eclectic, and although I still think it's a good magazine and there aren't really any better modded classic ones around, I hope they don't go down that road, like Practical classics and their "BMC/Jaguars only please and none of that rotten foreign stuff" philosophy, or down the route that some customised car mags have been known to go down where they start featuring nothing but big budget projects by big companies (who're paying loads for a feature obviously!), and nothing by the regular guy who doesn't have loads of money but has done a great job on his own motor, as I don't buy magazines to be smacked in the face by adverts, I buy them to be entertained and inspired, and you can't do that when all you read is "Buy From Us!!" on every page. Magazines filled with adverts, another of the evils of capitalism, eh comrades?! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D Sorry, dude. Not ranting at you personally but magazines need adverts to survive. A lot of people complain about the amount of adverts in magazines, on websites and so forth. The truth is that without those adverts there would be no magazine. There would be no websites. Likewise, each magazine has to set their own level of commitment to 'the cause' - the small guy who built a v12-engined invalid carriage in his parents shed - whilst still getting enough revenue, both from advertisers and from 'big names' (which serve as advertisement for the issue itself - a lot of people will pick it up because they see something big and pretty...They may subscribe after reading the rest of the mag) to keep the magazine alive. It's unfortunate but that is the way of the world. Unless the writers operate unpaid in a squat, rent-free and have the paper, printing, distribution and advertising costs waived on their behalf then they need adverts in their pages. It's all good and well having aspirations to a socialist utopia but they'll remain just that...aspirations. In the real world, human nature will never allow socialism or communism to operate to definition. Humans are greedy by nature...and they like to own stuff. *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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I don't know if it would be possible to have a magazine over here minus the adverts but surely it would be possible to have a seperate/pullout part just for adverts. It wouldn't happen - people would just throw the section away. Advertisers know this. We'd be paying about £10 per issue if we forgave ads.... *n
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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Looks like we'll just have to live with 'em then!
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impmann
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It is a real shame though, that the same old cars *have* to be featured to satisfy the needs of the publisher. Publishers want to make money - they don't give a rat's curse word what's in the mag as long as it will sell. And if it sells well, they will demand you repeat the same formula time and time again - been there, done that. That was why I gave up working for Crassics Monthly (hmmm, funny - I didn't know that there were 13 months....). I was sick and tired of not being able to feature genuinely interesting cars as an MG or Jag will always make more in advertising revenue and that is always going to be the publisher's line. I mean - there is NO POINT WHATSOEVER writing yet another MGB buyers guide. There are 1000s of pieces exactly the same written by 1000s of different journos. There are books on the subject... hell, there's even a large area of the MG OC website devoted to it. What a waste of paper... I *know* that the MG fans are bored of seeing the same old same old in print too - cos they told me!! And what hasn't been written about Jag E-types. They're great - but 99% of the general populous cannot afford one. So short of a feature about one being powered by 32 lawn-mower engines, running on pure methanol, I can't think of anything I'd like to read about one. And I *love* E-types... Its all gone wrong. When PC first started, they didn't write about cars because they were "core" or in fact particularly desireable - who wanted an Austin Farina in the early 80s except Peter Simpson for god's sake? Now you have too many bean counters telling the editors what they can and can't write about. And that's wrong. So that's why I now build guitars for a living - and I don't regret it. At least I can now look real car enthusiasts in the eye again Tim
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Just cos something is good for you doesn't mean its good for everyone - for example Marmite does not make good Dog Food.
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Its bad that you can be too much of a car enthusiast to work for a car mag I don't want to keep reading about MGs no matter how good they are and as i have said before on here I cant stand E Types. E Types are one of the very few cars i dislike. Working for a guitar companys abit different Impmann! (Saw you in your Imp last week between Daventry and Weedon)
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impmann
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Ahhhh, keep your eyes and ears peeled for Si... he's fitted twin Dellorto 40s to his 998-powered Imp, plus a home fabricated manifold - and nailed to the end of that is a mad 5in (five inch) bore outlet!!! ;D Its louder than Satan. Getting back on topic, tho... its very hard to be a true car enthusiast and an editor these days. It depends upon your publisher and whether he is a gentleman with a capital W or not....
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1964 Hillman Imp 1976 Hillman Imp 1967 Hillman Imp (And a few projects dotted around the country)
Just cos something is good for you doesn't mean its good for everyone - for example Marmite does not make good Dog Food.
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Penski - I wasn't seriously making any serious idealogical remarks about a "communist utopia" where there was no advertising in that last post, the fact that I used the word "comrade" should prove that I was joking, any real socialist who actually believes in equality, (as opposed to just a git who takes Marx too seriously and likes to quote Das Kapital like a bible because he'd be a Jesuit if it wasn't too mainstream for him) doesn't use that word in a serious context to address people in conversation. I understand perfectly that a magazine needs advertising to an extent to survive, I'm not altogether out of touch with reality you know, but it is an extent it needs, as Impmann says the current trend is for a magazine to be overly obsessed with what the publisher says, and bean counters tell the editors what is to appear in the magazine, so rather than journalists writing what their readers (and their staff) want, they're forced to write the same stuff about mainstream cars over and over and over, and their features are little more than extended adverts for leading companies who deal in mainstream classics. I'm not suggesting that all journalists move into squats and make magazines for free, or that every advert is routed out and removed from magazines at once, I'm suggesting that it'd be nice if more magazines would stick to what we buy them for, i.e. entertainment, and cut down on obsessing over how they can make more profit.
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"He's not the messiah, he's a very naughty boy!"
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greaz1989
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retro-rides best thing since sliced bread
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i can see where you all are comeing from ive got every issue and i feel that the earlyer issues when simon wooly was editor were better but some of the newer features are good
i don't mean to be nosey but what happend to bryn musslewhite his workers playtimes were the best iknow hes a member of this forum
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diffrent taste in cars than most people my age - is that a good thing........
YES!
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Sorry, Rev9 - like I said, wasn't meant to be a personal stab. Just a rant that I needed to get off my chest.
Impmann - Didn't realise we had a luthier in our midst. Do you stretch your hand to basses at all?
I have a Rickenbacker 4003 that needs replaced at some point (rather severely damaged by removal men).
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Top grammar tips! Bought = purchased. Brought = relocated Lose = misplace/opposite of win. Loose = your mum
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richy
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Whether we like it or not, ads are very much the financial lifeblood of a magazine (I should know ) - without them how much would an issue cost? I realise they can be a nuisance sometimes but they can also be useful!
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Bring back Jalopy and Slowcar. ;D
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Bring back Jalopy and Slowcar. ;D Jalopy RULED HARD!!! I still have my well-thumbed issue#1, 'Twas my bible when I reached car owning age back in the mid nineties!
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