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Jul 19, 2006 18:31:09 GMT
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Well, I've never seen another in the UK. This doesn't mean there are none, just that I've not seen one. I've asked how many there are on MMA. The gold wheel would be fitted to all cars with the tan interior and gold exterior. The tyres look the same, and its a fairly thin banding pattern so its circumstantial building up...
There is an absolute clone of my Oldsmobile over here (in Sheffield), same year, colours, spec, condition, everything. How odd is that. So there are occasionally twins of really odd things about.
We'll see.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 19, 2006 19:08:06 GMT
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As a classic car fan, it shame in my eyes to see a roadworth car . . sat up or hidden from view, raced or weighed in for what ever reason. A car should be driven, simple as that.
If a car turns up at banger track it normally to late to rescue it being realistic , this is even before it get raced. As no doubt inrepairable damage to shell and panels on top of that parts being removed from vehicle and scraped that would be required on the car for the road while the car was being prepared for track.
Yet again i am disappoint photos have been pinched from my site ( not for first time on this forum ) with out my permission, even more so because one has been hotlinked which is THEFT of bandwidth ontop of reproducing a Copyright item with out me consent.
Even if it doesn't appeared to be any 'bangers' as you put it, in the fresh gallery from Buxton you can take it from me there were. It because i decide to only show a handful of rare / smart cars.
Another note, the Humber Imperial raced at same meeting had more perferations than a box of teabags and so be aboustley no use for road, wonders what tape and paint can hide from afar.
If you really want banger racer to clean up their act, it not exactly best plan to call them all names under sun as you ain't exactly going get a welcoming reaction.
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2006 19:09:55 GMT by alex2
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Jul 19, 2006 20:02:41 GMT
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With the greatest of respect to you, is the issue of classics being stolen just a tad more important than you cribbing about somebody "pinching" photos from your site? For the second time in as many months two cars, one quite rare and the other more so have been stolen and lo and behold two exact same models have, subsequently, been seen on banger tracks. How much of a coincidence does there need to be before everybody, in unison, agrees that cars ARE being STOLEN to be raced at banger meets? All ive actually heard is the usual "don't tar us all with the same brush" and how virtually impossible it would be to even self Police the meets to put a, once and for all, stop to this b******s. Nobody steals banger cars to be put back on the road do they? So you are also a classic car enthusiast, so what! Do you seriously believe that people s**t on their own doorsteps? Whats the chances of a banger and classic enthusiast having his pride and joy pinched? Not a lot. The classic car scene is far, far bigger than the banger scene, it has spawned a multi million pound world wide industry and if this issue starts to spread far and wide it is enevitable that if the Banger fraternity cant deal with the problem, legislation will. How about banning Banger racing on health and safety grounds. Dangerous to drivers, enviromentally unfriendly, noise pollution, christ the list could go on and on couldnt it. Who out there has a friendly MEP?
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If Typhoo put the Tea in Britain who put the c**t in Scunthorpe?
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Jul 19, 2006 20:06:27 GMT
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Yet again i am disappoint photos have been pinched from my site ( not for first time on this forum ) with out my permission, even more so because one has been hotlinked which is THEFT of bandwidth ontop of reproducing a Copyright item with out me consent. If you don't want your bandwidth robbed then employ techniques to stop it. If you don't then by implication you allow hotlinking. Read this : altlab.com/htaccess_tutorial.html
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Jul 19, 2006 20:15:08 GMT
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now now now, lets not get all het up again.
I've spoken to the mate of the guy who woned the car, he's also a club official and he also is employed in the motor trade, specifically importing american vehicles and working with the DVLA on registration issues for them and the like.
He says that the 1972 Plymouth wagon stolen was the only known example in the UK.
So comparing steering wheels and tyres is unnecessary as it is the same car.
Point is that there have been a number of stolen classics gone for bangering recently. There have also been a number stolen and never found. Some stolen and exported. Some stolen and ringered, some stolen and stripped for parts.
The issue is
1. protect your car against theft in the first place 2. something needs to be done about all forms of theft if the miscreants can be identified.
In this case the car is identifiable, as is the person who raced it. If he didn't nick it then he needs to say where he bought it and follow the chain back. Thing is did he pay £4000 - £4500 for the car? I'm betting he did not. In an ideal world that would be enough to prove recieveng stolen goods. Sadly the burden off proof for a prosecution is higher than that.
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1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 19, 2006 20:22:08 GMT
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If you don't want people to use your pics, print them out and put them in an album, if your'e going to put them on line, suprise suprise people will copy them, hot link them and use them untill you stop them by doing as Hotwire has mentioned. If you have placed the pics on line yourself how can you claim copyright? Copyright has no place on the net IMO . I understand the point you are trying to make I just completly disagree with you
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Jul 19, 2006 20:23:39 GMT
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1. protect your car against theft in the first place 2. something needs to be done about all forms of theft if the miscreants can be identified. I've felt like staying out of this until now. But that was well said, for me this is the route to take. I hate the thought of anybody stealing anything, and take appropriate action to deter them. I fully recognise that there is a traceable path here, and it should be followed, but some people will always steal if the opportunity exists no matter who they are or what profession/hobby they persue.
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Volvo, Buggy, Discovery and an old tractor.
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Jul 19, 2006 20:23:54 GMT
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Only just read this properly, all i can say is, oh dear. Does anyone really think that the red wagon isnt the one that was stolen? Come on, I'm good friends with Tony Oksien's son Joe and have been involed with the mopar scene for a while. If there is only a few or even a couple of those cars, does anyone really think that one would legitimatly end up on the banger track?
I'm just happy my car isnt the kind targetted by these narrow minded pricks!
J
Edit - other replys popped up after mine, seems it was the car!
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2006 20:26:55 GMT by Blown_Imp
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Jul 19, 2006 20:35:45 GMT
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I'm doing my best to be grown up about it TBH. Its not my car but I nearly bought it. It belonged to a mate of a mate and was sold to him by another guy I'm on good terms with. It feels "close" if you know what I mean.
Its just very very sad. It makes it worse somehow that its not been stolen for parts or for export or something. Just to steal something off someone to senselessly destroy it is pretty low end mentallity, same as joy riders who burn out their stolen cars when they dump them.
The fact that these cocks can happily parade round in stolen vehicles like this with a feeling of impunity is deeply wrong.
Its just that most people who steal cars don't put photos of themselves with the car up on the internet (or go places where they know they will be photographed!)
As a disclaimer, I have known plenty of banger racers over the years, none of whom were car theives. However, those who are should be prosecuted same as any other thief no more nor no less. Same as should be any guy who steals cars to sell the parts on eBay.
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2006 20:36:20 GMT by akku
1937 Austin Street Rod - 1941 Wolseley Not Rod - 1956 Humber Hawk - 1957 Daimler Conquest - 1966 Buick LeSabre - 1968 Plymouth Sport Fury - 1968 Ford Galaxie - 1969 Ford Country Squire - 1969 Mercury Marquis - 1970 Morris Minor - 1970 Buick Skylark - 1970 Ford Galaxie - 1971 Ford Galaxie - 1976 Continental Mark IV - 1976 Ford Capri - 1976 Rover V8 - 1994 Ford Fiesta
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Jul 19, 2006 20:36:44 GMT
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I once spoke to a banger driver and asked him how he felt about bangering rare cars, his response was just the sort of thing i expected, 'i don't care, anyway by smashing one up we make the others worth more'. I too have only read this properly tonight and was horrified to read that this has happened again. All i can say to the banger community who steal cars to race is that its a shame you have to run the cars with the plates on the doors and roll bar etc. If you didnt have to I'm sure you wouldnt and then perhaps you would get hurt and couldnt race again.
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Jul 19, 2006 20:44:42 GMT
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How about banning Banger racing on health and safety grounds. Dangerous to drivers, enviromentally unfriendly, noise pollution, christ the list could go on and on couldnt it. Who out there has a friendly MEP? How about you ban classic cars on the same grounds then? They polute, they are a danger to other road users with their sub-standard safety equipment... There have already been moves in Europe and the US to collect up all the old un-taxed cars and weigh them in... would you like to see that in the UK? Probably better the classic community don't shout too loud... As for danger to drivers - do you want to see rallying, motorbike racing and equestrian sports banned on the same grounds? They are equally dangerous!
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Jul 19, 2006 20:48:39 GMT
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alex2: Hotlinking is part of the web...people link to and from my personal site and this one. If you're that bothered by this 'theft' then maybe the police will be interested? Stuff from this site turns up all over the web and in print all the time...it's a measure of success as far as I'm concerned.
As someone involved in banger racing you should be ASHAMED of these thefts, and trying to do something to prove the allegedly law abiding element can flush out the (claimed) minority in your sport. I know that if we had such conclusive proof of one of our members stealing someone's car then he'd be banned from here straight away and wouldn't dare show his face at another classic car meeting again. Funny that that hasn't happened on the oval, has it? Has Mitchell Mills gone into hiding for fear of the reaction he'd get at circuits? Has he hell! He's racing just as before. Nice one banger boys...is that your true colours?
SHAME ON YOU ALL UNTIL THIS THIEVERY AND BLATANT DISREGARD FOR BASIC RIGHTS HAS BEEN STOPPED.
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2006 20:52:40 GMT by rmad
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Jul 19, 2006 20:56:04 GMT
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WILKO Sorry but when u came on here to add your tupence worth in the thread about cibie's car being murdered, didint you say that you were a classic car enthusiast? ?? Or was that a load of rubbish? Cos i would of thought that if you was an enthusiast then you wouldnt want classic cars banned? ? Correct me if I'm wrong, please do.
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Jul 19, 2006 21:06:29 GMT
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wilko i think you should read this, www.popularmechanics.com/automotive/sub_coll_leno/1302806.htmlits from the Jay Leno thread, and written by him. Its not the cars that are dangerous its the drivers, and they are only dangerous when they are not concentrating. I drove a car with drum brakes all round for years and i never crashed, i never even came close. But they are considered dangerous. I'm going to stop now, and not join in untill something constructive comes of this thread. I don't know what to suggest my self, it seems that the self policing by the banger racers will never happen. J
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2006 21:07:09 GMT by Blown_Imp
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Jul 19, 2006 21:07:51 GMT
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This is shocking. There was no doubt about the previous coupé that was bangered and there seems little doubt about this car either. These people don't hide because they know they have nothing to fear from their peers. If what they did was truely frowned upon in banger racing they would either desist OR use less conspicuous cars. The fact is they know they can turn up at races because a blind eye will be turned. It certainly seems that the PC Granada could turn up at a meet with "This is the famous Practical Classic's Granada" painted down the sides and still be raced.
Until the majority of racers make it clear that this must stop then they will have to see the name of their sport dragged through the mud. WE can't stop this, we just own the cars YOU steal. You CAN stop this. Stop supporting this theft by making it clear that blatantly stolen cars are not welcome. If some guy offers an obviously stolen car for £50 to a racer, DON'T BUY IT. If a driver turns up at a meet in car that is obviously hooky, GET THE MEETING OFFICIALS TO STOP IT RACING.
It's down to you guys!
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This space available to rent. Reach literally dozens of people. Cheap rates!
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Jul 19, 2006 21:21:00 GMT
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1) Cars that turn up at banger tracks are invariably beyond saving, if only from the mods necessary to race them. (Inference): so stop grumbling about this car, because by the time you found it you could not have saved it anyway, thus it might as well get bangered. 2) Stop nicking my bandwidth of pictures that I have put up on the internet for the whole world to see. 3) Actually, one of the cars bangered was in REALLY BAD CONDITION, so stop complaining. 4) (the most comical) You ought to stop bad-mouthing the banger community if you want them to rob fewer of your cars. What a typically dismal 'head-in-the-sand' response. 0.006/10.
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1972 Fiat 130 1985 Talbot Alpine 1974 Lancia Beta Saloon 1975 + 1986 Mazda 929 Koop + Wagon 1982 Fiat Argenta 2.0 iniezione elettronica 1977 Toyota Carina TA14 BEST CAR EVER!!!!!!!! 1979 Datsun B310 Sunny 4-dr 1984 Audi 200 Quattro Turbo 1983 Honda Accord 1.6 DX GONE1989 Alfa 75 2.0 TS Mr T says: TREAT YO MOTHER RIGHT!
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Jul 19, 2006 21:26:46 GMT
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l'll tell you what boys...
I might be a banger driver, but I came on here as a genuine enthusiast of classic cars.
One of your members "DatsunCherry" (nice bloke) has been round to my house this weekend and had a new wing off me for one of his projects - no charge. He can tell you himself I got a Mexican Veedub tucked away in my garage. If you want to ask stupid questions about my interest in cars then do carry on, but I ain't answering them.
Now I come on and read it would be great if my favourite hobby was banned, if I was injured, and that I should be ashamed.
Well let me tell you all now - I've done nothing wrong, got no criminal record, got nothing to be ashamed FOR - and you can all basically kiss my azz!
I'm through with this site, and self righteous classic car owners in general. The rest of the spares saved up are going in the skip - hard luck on the decent people who could have benefited, but I just can't be arsed.
I've spent years trying to get other banger boys to help out classic car owners with spares - I've often encountered the opinion that it isn't worth the hassle because you will always be accused of vandalism or blamed for something somebody else did - now I realise they were right!
I've encountered some cool people and some idiots on this site - but seeing as the prevailing opinion seems to be going that it is OK to declare free season on anybody who races bangers and the sport in general based on the ALLEGED actions of one or two, I just can't be bothered.
I work long hours in a stuffy office and I don't need to be getting curse word off and wound up - I'm going back to just reading the banger forum and spending my hard-earned cash enjoying myself racing old cars.
bye!
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Last Edit: Jul 19, 2006 21:28:07 GMT by wilko
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Jul 19, 2006 21:41:11 GMT
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In this case the car is identifiable, as is the person who raced it. If he didn't nick it then he needs to say where he bought it and follow the chain back. Thing is did he pay £4000 - £4500 for the car? I'm betting he did not. In an ideal world that would be enough to prove recieveng stolen goods. Sadly the burden off proof for a prosecution is higher than that. The burden of proof for a civil prosecution is much lower - balance of probability vs beyond all reasonable doubt, so although it would not result in jail time, there is the issue of compensation.
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Jul 19, 2006 21:45:01 GMT
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Parting shot for you - news has reached the banger lads. One of them (a bloke I know as it happens) knows the driver who raced it, has spoken to him, and had this to say:
I've just been informed of what has been written on this forum and I've rang Ian, and he is totally gobsmacked because he bought the plymouth in good faith a few weeks ago and been building it for that time at his place of work in full view of everyone. Ian says he was offered the car by some lads who had seen some of the bangers there lately and that he paid £100 for it and the lads said they would drop off the v5. The Sharks are an honest bunch of lads and they would never steel or accept a vehicle knowing that it was stolen, Ian is absolutely gutted.
So, there you go. Not sure what sort of state it was in when it arrived with the driver or how these lads came across the car - but I think we can guess... They could well be scallys who knicked it to weigh in - £100 is about scrap value for it at the moment and probably a lot of money if you are a scrote on the dole...
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Jul 19, 2006 21:46:12 GMT
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wilko, if that is your attitude, then your leaving is no great loss to me.
Bye
BB
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Yesterday at 7:54, pogweasel wrote:
Nothing wrong with creature comforts. If I want masochism, I'll just go and slam my knackers in the fridge door for a bit.
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