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Mar 11, 2021 15:33:52 GMT
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I know the RR ethos is that if you have nothing nice to say.... hold your peace. I really hate to dis someone's cherished project..... and you can't deny his ambition and persistence. Done well it could be quite something. But this is so obviously wrong in many ways and (IMO) a real and present danger to the driver and other road users. An actual deathtrap with potential to damage the image of modified cars. Consider a 70s front-engined sports car that has been modified using a mixture of parts from various modern sources. Nothing wrong with that in itself - I'm all for it, got a couple myself. But the parts needs to be carefully chosen and not apparently picked at random and errr.... altered.... to an approximation of something that might look right if you squint. Think of a car that now has an engine of more than 3x the original bhp in the opposite end..... Think front suspension vertical links that have been cut and shut apparently using a pigeon..... Think of a car that doesn't seem to score any points at all and undoubtedly requires an SVA to be legal, but clearly hasn't had one as it's running the original plate. Yet somehow, in spite of all the above, apparently has a valid MoT...... I'm not often shocked, but this has done it..... thespitfire.uk/Am I over-reacting? Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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stealthstylz
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Mar 11, 2021 16:32:49 GMT
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The no negativity rule has always been about subjective issues (appearances basically). Dangerous stuff (with evidence) can be called out. That thing is a dangerous turd.
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Mar 11, 2021 20:15:53 GMT
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He lives near me & I've been round to see it. He has 100% enthusiasm but sadly only about 10% ability.
I can't really say more as I'm well known and it may get back to him.
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Mar 11, 2021 20:55:31 GMT
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I raised those points on FB regarding points and IVA many months ago and all I got was abuse from other users so I left the group , cars like this will only lead to stricter rules
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retired with too many projects!
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Rich
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Mar 11, 2021 21:19:44 GMT
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Whilst I can’t disagree with the blatant disregard to the rules in its build, this thread has a huge lack of anything cool. Unless you can post up some pictures and examples of well built interesting cars imma have to go ahead and click the padlock closed on this one.
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Mar 11, 2021 23:04:25 GMT
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The bit that got me was: they are also drilled for BMW hubs, i.e. 5×120. The rear hubs are Audi, 5×112 so I had to slot the wheels to make them fit. All I can say is WTF! To comply with rich post please see below picture of my shortened Mini that I built 20 years ago
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Mar 11, 2021 23:16:38 GMT
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I wasn't aiming to be cool. I was raising a concern that affects all our interests.... But if I have to do cool..... have some modern bits on old Triumphs to prove I'm not just a grumpy purist Various bits of injection hardware collected from scrapyards, combined with some exhaust tubing, a Megasquirt ECU and some EDIS bits. That was in 2005. Driveshafts made from a mix of Rover and Volvo parts replacing rotoflexes, 2004 ish You can wrestle a Supra W58 into an old Triumph.... tight fit though. That was 2007 The Triumph seats weren't bad, but mine were very tired and these MGF ones have headrests and more side support. Let serious testing commence..... 2008, towards the end of the Club Triumph Round Britain Reliability Run. When you've done 2000 miles in 48 hours, in foul weather, without breaking down - you can consider your mods tested..... ...... or you can carry on testing.... Take the family to Switzerland (2009) Where are we going to put the wine? Are we nearly there yet....? Grimsel pass with the Rhone Glacier in the background Then, a week after returning from Switzerland, head back out on the Club Triumph 10 Countries. An epic 3,200 miles in 5 days including Pyrenees, Alps and a lap of the Nordschlieffe, bringing the monthly total to just under 5,500..... Timmelsjoch pass on the Italian Austrian Border 2011 Col De Bonette 2013 At just over 2800m, this is the highest the car has been, though it's also done Stelvio at least 4 times from various directions Slovenia 2015. We did 12 countries that year. It meant doing the Stelvio again and added 4 hours to the days driving, but would have been rude not to. Grimsel pass and the Rhone Glacier again in 2019. Except now you can't see the glacier..... Turin 2019 It's done the occasional track day too. This is Castle Coombe on a very wet day This proved that although DS2500 pads in otherwise standard brakes might cope with the Alps & Pyrenees They won't handle a track day..... leading to ...... further development.... So DO mod your Retro Ride, but do it right and test thoroughly. The fun is in the testing Nick
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Last Edit: Mar 11, 2021 23:22:29 GMT by vitesseefi
1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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that spitfire had been all over a page on facebook as you have said and some questionable engineering involved .
it’s when he called out the handling needed looking at as the front is really light and it doesnt exactly handle that great i just laughed
hats off to having an idea and pushing through with it but i think this will end in tears and wrapped around a tree or worse
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mht
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Mar 12, 2021 10:50:40 GMT
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Club Triumph Round Britain Reliability Run. When you've done 2000 miles in 48 hours, in foul weather, without breaking down - you can consider your mods tested... Club Triumph 10 Countries. An epic 3,200 miles in 5 days including Pyrenees, Alps and a lap of the Nordschlieffe, bringing the monthly total to just under 5,500 I never knew these events existed - I now seem to want to buy a Triumph.
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Mark
1977 MG B 1992 Lexus LS400 1998 VW Golf VR6 1999 BMW 740i
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Mar 12, 2021 11:04:53 GMT
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bstardchild
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Mar 12, 2021 11:48:38 GMT
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But if I have to do cool..... have some modern bits on old Triumphs to prove I'm not just a grumpy purist <Snip> So DO mod your Retro Ride, but do it right and test thoroughly. The fun is in the testing Nick Hey I'd love to read a more detailed thread on both car and road trips - can you point me in the right direction please
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Mar 12, 2021 13:21:54 GMT
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I read about that Spitfire in Practical Performance Car. I didn't understand the thinking behind the car - it's effectively been completely rebuilt as something else so *Should* have had an appropriate test. As has been stated above, having an idea does not equal having the ability. If you're going to do the job, do it properly. Or get someone who can. I did a bit of welding early on during my Midas rebuild - building something with captive bolts. Someone pulled me up on the quality of the welding, so I junked the part I'd made and started again. Practice, practice, practice. If you can't figure it out, ask someone who does know. Advice is usually free, and there's no shame in admitting you're struggling. I have very little knowledge of electrics, so I enlist the help of my friend who does. He's not someone who knows "a bit" - he's done car electrics since he left school, and he's now approaching 50, so I completely trust his abilities. I reckon there's a lot of "mates" who can "do stuff" who have assisted without having the heart to tell the owner that it might be a bit sketchy. If that thing gets pulled over for a VOSA test they'll have a field day. I am also all for modified vehicles but a little knowledge can be way too much. Edit: Spitfire with a 350ci V8
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Last Edit: Mar 12, 2021 13:24:44 GMT by mrbounce
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Mar 12, 2021 13:56:41 GMT
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I think if we go down the road of reporting badly built or incorrectly registered cars, we're at the start of a slippery slope which won't help us at all. Cars have been nailed together by incompetent people since the beginning (and some even run garages doing it!) and I dare say it happened a whole lot more in the times before the internet, when the wealth of knowledge was not available like it is today. You just have to hope that an MOT tester picks up the faults, or a friend can give guidance on the proper way to do something.
RR members are very keen on people following the rules, and like to point out whether something needs an IVA or not. I think the intentions are largely well meant - if too many people take the pee with the rules it can jeapordise the whole arrangement, but at the same time I think we need to just give people the benefit of the doubt and concede that there will be a certain number of people who don't care and will break the rules.
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Last Edit: Mar 12, 2021 13:58:01 GMT by BenzBoy
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Mar 12, 2021 13:58:02 GMT
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Stuff like that really winds me up. It's badly built and engineered plus illegally registered. Look at what one accident involving a badly modified Landrover did for that community. This isn't just modified badly, it's just shyte flung in a heap. We have a legal way of registering stuff like this (not popular in some quarters I know). It's not the nightmare it's sometimes painted but it stops this sort of death trap. And breath... 1939 Willys gasser for penance.
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Proton Jumbuck-deceased :-( 2005 Kia Sorento the parts hauling heap V8 Humber Hawk 1948 Standard12 pickup SOLD 1953 Pop build (wifey's BIVA build).
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Mar 12, 2021 14:09:51 GMT
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Hey I'd love to read a more detailed thread on both car and road trips - can you point me in the right direction please Hmm, tricky one. Thing is I’ve had it coming up 33 years and the story is a bit scattered. Perhaps I’ll put a retrospective build thread up on here to try and tie it all together. The road trips though..... that would be a book. It’s done just under 90k with me since 1989 and somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of that covered in mainland Europe. Thanks for the interest 🙂 Nick
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Last Edit: Mar 12, 2021 17:39:22 GMT by Rich
1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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bstardchild
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Mar 12, 2021 14:17:08 GMT
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Hey I'd love to read a more detailed thread on both car and road trips - can you point me in the right direction please Hmm, tricky one. Thing is I’ve had it coming up 33 years and the story is a bit scattered. Perhaps I’ll put a retrospective build thread up on here to try and tie it all together. The road trips though..... that would be a book. It’s done just under 90k with me since 1989 and somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of that covered in mainland Europe. Thanks for the interest 🙂 Nick I'd settle for a highlights
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Mar 12, 2021 14:49:01 GMT
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Hmm, tricky one. Thing is I’ve had it coming up 33 years and the story is a bit scattered. Perhaps I’ll put a retrospective build thread up on here to try and tie it all together. The road trips though..... that would be a book. It’s done just under 90k with me since 1989 and somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of that covered in mainland Europe. Thanks for the interest 🙂 Nick I'd settle for a highlights Seconded! Would love to read about your travels if you can find time to put together a thread!
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Mar 12, 2021 15:25:06 GMT
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I think if we go down the road of reporting badly built or incorrectly registered cars, we're at the start of a slippery slope which won't help us at all. Cars have been nailed together by incompetent people since the beginning (and some even run garages doing it!) and I dare say it happened a whole lot more in the times before the internet, when the wealth of knowledge was not available like it is today. You just have to hope that an MOT tester picks up the faults, or a friend can give guidance on the proper way to do something. RR members are very keen on people following the rules, and like to point out whether something needs an IVA or not. I think the intentions are largely well meant - if too many people take the pee with the rules it can jeapordise the whole arrangement, but at the same time I think we need to just give people the benefit of the doubt and concede that there will be a certain number of people who don't care and will break the rules. I said nothing about reporting. It's not something I'd normally entertain. I admit I was thinking about it here though - and that is something that has NEVER happened before to me before. Your comment about MoT testers picking it up though...... Apparently not. The car in question appears to have had an MoT only last December. Presumably while it was fitted with those horrific "vertical links" and god only knows whatever other horrific bodges. Assuming it was a legit MoT where it was actually inspected, that raises some very serious questions with me as to whether that MoT tester needs retraining or, at the very least, some new glasses? The scariest aspect being that the creator of this frankenshite no doubt feels vindicated and legitimised by it having been inspected and passed. Never mind DVSA points, IVA, SVA or whatever, how could anyone charged with ensuring the roadworthiness of the UKs vehicles look at those links and think, yep, they look safe.....? I don't do facebook, but I understand that even our man might have realised that all was not well with his front end due to "handling oddities" and is now refitting Triumph parts and stumped by how to set wheel bearing end-float...... Holy curse word - 100% enthusiasm unhampered by talent, knowledge or self-doubt is a truly scary thing. I guess we should be grateful he's not into nuclear physics! Have another modified Triumph as a penance. A 1972 2500 PI I re-commissioned (everything mechanical was dead) Megasquirt conversion using the original PI manifolding. With a bit of headwork and TR6 manifold it made just shy of 150bhp with the standard cam and >160 lb/ft of torque from 1800 - 5200 rpm. Did pull very well. I fitted Stag brakes pretty soon after sorting the engine...... BMW coupe seats. Absolute cow to fit and didn't really work for me. Everyone else loved them! Should have been a decent car, but it didn't like me. It wound me up once to often and I advertised it at what I thought was a daft high price. It sold in under 48 hours..... idiot! New owner was very happy with it when I talked to him a year later - so I guess it liked him better! I didn't do many big trips in this. The one that stands out was a Club Triumph Historic Counties Rally, basically an all-night scatter rally that might take you anywhere in mainland UK. We did 1,127 miles in 30 hours door to door. In no small part because the start and finish were miles from home. Home near Taunton, event start near Cambridge, half-way stop near Leeds, finish in Barnoldswick, via Scotland. It did well on that one - champion mile eater. Nick
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1967 Triumph Vitesse convertible (old friend) 1996 Audi A6 2.5 TDI Avant (still durability testing) 1972 GT6 Mk3 (Restored after loong rest & getting the hang of being a car again)
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Mar 12, 2021 16:55:59 GMT
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Club Triumph Round Britain Reliability Run. When you've done 2000 miles in 48 hours, in foul weather, without breaking down - you can consider your mods tested... Club Triumph 10 Countries. An epic 3,200 miles in 5 days including Pyrenees, Alps and a lap of the Nordschlieffe, bringing the monthly total to just under 5,500 I never knew these events existed - I now seem to want to buy a Triumph. I had exactly the same dilemma when i first heard about them, unfortunately enthusiasm doesnt buy cars! I will get a triumph one day, and have a go ( resumes buying lottery tickets and browsing ebay!)
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ferny
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Mar 12, 2021 17:38:46 GMT
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Hmm, tricky one. Thing is I’ve had it coming up 33 years and the story is a bit scattered. Perhaps I’ll put a retrospective build thread up on here to try and tie it all together. The road trips though..... that would be a book. It’s done just under 90k with me since 1989 and somewhere between 2/3 and 3/4 of that covered in mainland Europe. Thanks for the interest 🙂 Nick I'd settle for a highlights No, don't tell him. Make him enter them himself! 😂 I remember the 2008 RBRR, it was my first and worst. I remember pulling over after crossing the River Forth because the rain was so bad that I was having to wipe the inside of the windscreen. It was decided that maybe the roof on the Herald should be raised at this point.
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Last Edit: Mar 12, 2021 19:51:00 GMT by ferny
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