jgtr
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Hi all
I have a VW T4 Transporter. I’ve cleaned out the bottom sliding door roller channel as it was very grotty. It’s in good condition but has some surface rust and small areas of bare metal. From research this area is prone to rust so what’s the best product to protect it? It can be brush painted as its hidden most of the time. Was thinking POR15 or red oxide with hammerite top coat?
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Hi all I have a VW T4 Transporter. I’ve cleaned out the bottom sliding door roller channel as it was very grotty. It’s in good condition but has some surface rust and small areas of bare metal. From research this area is prone to rust so what’s the best product to protect it? It can be brush painted as its hidden most of the time. Was thinking POR15 or red oxide with hammerite top coat? Thanks From extensive professional experience I would not touch either of the products that you have listed they are both over rated & outdated products - better & longer lasting solutions have since come to the market - if the areas that carry surface rust can be abraded to fully remove the rust I would prepare the area and apply a good quality etching primer - if you cant remove all of the rust then clean the areas up apply Bilt Hambers Hydrate 80 which will deal with the rust - you can then apply the etching primer over the top of the Hydrate 80 - once the etching primer has cured you can apply a colour coat to match the vehicle - you could either apply the paint by aerosol or brush but if it's an area that is prone to rusting I would suggest that apply a clear cavity wax treatment over the paintwork upon completion
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If its the channel the roller runs in I would avise you use some sort of wax which sets hard, anything tacky attracts dirt and stops the roller working properly.
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jgtr
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Thanks, I didn’t want to get too involved and was hoping for a straight forward brush on coating as its in pretty good condition, but it’s a low mileage Multivan so prob worth doing well so I’ll look at the Bilt Hamber stuff - it’s an awkward shape so wanted to avoid having to use spray coatings as brush would work better and provide a thicker and more durable coating
Once I’ve applied the Hydrate is it just a case of standard etch and top coat?
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jgtr
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If its the channel the roller runs in I would avise you use some sort of wax which sets hard, anything tacky attracts dirt and stops the roller working properly. Anything you would recommend? It’s only a very small part that the roller runs on - the genuine wax that I removed was as sticky as hell
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Thanks, I didn’t want to get too involved and was hoping for a straight forward brush on coating as its in pretty good condition, but it’s a low mileage Multivan so prob worth doing well so I’ll look at the Bilt Hamber stuff - it’s an awkward shape so wanted to avoid having to use spray coatings as brush would work better and provide a thicker and more durable coating Once I’ve applied the Hydrate is it just a case of standard etch and top coat? Yes - just prime & paint over the Hydrate - apply the Hydrate by brush but neatly bushing out any air bubbles etc - given that the vans retain their money on resale I would take the time & effort to do a decent job - it maybe in an area that is not seen that well / often but most buyers are well versed in where to look in this day & age of internet purchasing guides - it could be that you plan to retain the van for a significant period but better to do the job well once rather than to poor effect and have to redo it at a later stage
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I would suggest something like Bilt Hamber Dynax UC, I have used it and it seems to go on and dry to a hard non tacky surface, so far no corrosion etc but it's only been on thee a year or 2 and the car has hardly been used.
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jgtr
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Thanks, just found out that Bilt Hamber is only 10 mins from my house so will pop down there and speak to them. It’s not bad at all so I’m confident that their rust stopper and a decent coat of paint followed by some wax will be fine
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Jan 13, 2020 17:03:00 GMT
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Paging @grumpynorthener and kevinsReading up on the bilt hamber stuff, its approx 50% more expensive than vactan Now I’ve not used either, but is vactan cheaper because it’s no bl@@dy good, or just because it’s cheaper? Their blurb reckons it’s military spec What do you think? Tia
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Phil H
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Jan 13, 2020 19:22:12 GMT
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Bilt Hamber works and there are several on here who recommend it.
Nowt worse than doing a job twice because the first time didn’t work IMHO - not saying the other stuff doesn’t (hey, it could be the same stuff in plain packaging which does happen), but for a couple of quid extra I know where I’d spend my pennies.
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Last Edit: Jan 13, 2020 19:22:27 GMT by Phil H
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Jan 13, 2020 21:05:22 GMT
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Paging @grumpynorthener and kevinsReading up on the bilt hamber stuff, its approx 50% more expensive than vactan Now I’ve not used either, but is vactan cheaper because it’s no bl@@dy good, or just because it’s cheaper? Their blurb reckons it’s military spec What do you think? Tia Just read up on the Vactan - www.paco-systems.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/vactan.pdf - absolutely no laboratory or field testing data to justify any of the claims made - lack of proven testing with no track record is why its cheap - they cant prove what they are claiming - I'll stick to the more expensive stuff that I know I can trust & is fully proven from Bilt Hamber - nothing worse that having to do a job twice due to product quality or unreliability
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Last Edit: Jan 13, 2020 21:06:23 GMT by Deleted
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Thanks Chris, thats why I wanted your input, I’ll go for the bilt hamber stuff Cheers again @grumpynortherner
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Jan 14, 2020 12:40:23 GMT
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I've used Vactan, in sure when I read up about it it was in use in industrial settings. Anyway it seems to work for me but needs to be overcoated with a non cellulose based paint once dry.
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Jan 14, 2020 16:14:51 GMT
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Just realised that I’ve gained a small bottle of vactan for a pressie Guess I’ll have to try it on a non-important area and see if it actually does what it says on the tin! Haven’t actually ordered any Bilt Hambers Hydrate yet, but hey, it’s on a Land Rover, so theres plenty of places that need work 😩
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Jan 17, 2020 12:20:26 GMT
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Another thumbs up from me for Bilt Hamber. Been using it for years and all their products are ace. Good service too. And yes that door channel is a grotty place attracting lots of dirt - I remember it well!
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jgtr
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Jan 19, 2020 18:35:54 GMT
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Cheers all, have ordered some Hydrate 80 :-)
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at200
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Another vote for Bilt Hamber. Their rust removal stuff is great. It sounds like a small area so might not be worth it for you, but their Deox gel will remove even pitted rust if you give it a few goes. The Electrox zinc primer is very good too.
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