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Sept 4, 2019 20:46:34 GMT
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Pretty sure this is an Italian wheel.
I've seen a 4 bolt version of that on a Fiat or an Alfa.
( as a alternative to the Campagnolo's and Cromodora's, which have a different taper to the spokes and more rounded off corners of the castings)
Might be one of the bigger companies like Mille Miglia, Stillauto, or BWA ( not those, but like them. I already did a Google search for those)
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Dez
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Can someone ID these wheels? Dez
@dez
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Sept 4, 2019 21:45:10 GMT
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Pretty sure this is an Italian wheel. I've seen a 4 bolt version of that on a Fiat or an Alfa. ( as a alternative to the Campagnolo's and Cromodora's, which have a different taper to the spokes and more rounded off corners of the castings) Might be one of the bigger companies like Mille Miglia, Stillauto, or BWA ( not those, but like them. I already did a Google search for those) I was thinking along the same lines as yourself, but there’s very few if any large fwd Italian cars from that period. Pretty much everything is 4stud and/or rwd. Still, I suppose the axle they’re on could be a red herring. But then you get into bolt pattern issues as anything Italian is going to be an uncommon pcd like 5x98.
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Sept 4, 2019 22:01:20 GMT
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anything Italian is going to be an uncommon pcd like 5x98. Its obviously hard to tell from a pic but ive been looking at alot of 5 stud 14" wheels recently and they do look like quite a small pcd. Under 4.5" so could be somewhere around that. The axle may be a red herring as far as the car is concerned but are there many 5 stud small trailers or maybe caravans that axle could have come from?
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Dez
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Can someone ID these wheels? Dez
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Sept 4, 2019 22:08:15 GMT
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I’m not sure about in Europe, but over here the only old 5 stud trailer pattern I’ve ever seen is 5x165 same as Land Rover, so is massive in comparison. All the others are 4 stud. 4x108 and 4x139 being most common.
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Sept 4, 2019 23:09:16 GMT
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"But then you get into bolt pattern issues as anything Italian is going to be an uncommon pcd like 5x98."
The Italians used to do quite a bit in Inch measurements.
Pre Alfetta Alfa Romeo 4 bolt is 4.25" ( 108mm), and the standard big Italian car size( big Alfa's like the 1900 and 2600 when they were not knock off, Lancia Stratos, and I believe Ferrari ), was 5 bolt 4.25".
And also, Italian wheel makers would put any bolt pattern in it that you would want. ( I'm pretty sure the factory rally racing Vauxhalls were using Campagnolo Ragno's for a while ) So bolt pattern is a good indication, but it could be different...
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Sept 4, 2019 23:35:53 GMT
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Hi, Does anyone else think there's something not quite right about these wheels? It looks like the centre has been bore out of one wheel and the centre bit with the stud pattern from another wheel inserted. There is what looks like welds at the junction and the portion of the 'spokes' at the junction look very squared off where they would have been machined out.
Colin
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You can see in the back ground a 3rd wheel still attached to something. That might give some indication
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You can see in the back ground a 3rd wheel still attached to something. That might give some indication It’s connected to a rear axle that is connected to the wheel in the middle of the picture. Trailing arm kind of set up, similar to a Golf 1. So possibly a trailer or fwd car...
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Can someone ID these wheels? fr€$h&m1nt¥
@freshandminty
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Sept 5, 2019 13:35:39 GMT
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Although they're still not the correct wheels thanks to the OP for leading me to this site... jalopnik.com/campagnolos-40802-might-be-the-coolest-wheel-in-history-1822278077containing this image... The deTomaso Mangusta also had similar wheels... ... main difference being a central pronounced line down each spoke rather than along edge of each spoke. Not sure if I'll ever find an exact match but to summarise it's worth a shot getting them if they're cheap and powdercoating them to give them new life.
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The Doctor
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Sept 5, 2019 15:20:08 GMT
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Wow, what a response! I couldn't get closer then this, I made the picture with my phone as close as possible, sadly no marks visible. The axle I was thinking might be Eastern Europe. There's a lot of trailers with weird swing axle designs or axles like these around overhere, but I don't know any eastern European car with a 5 lug pcd. That's why I turned to you guys
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Sept 5, 2019 16:02:01 GMT
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A bit of lateral thinking, which may be way off the mark, but trying to think of front wheel drive American cars, they could be for a "K" platform Mopar (Plymouth, Dodge, Chrysler) from the early 80s? - Chrysler LeBaron, Dodge Aries etc. I haven't actually found any photos of any with those wheels but if they were't OEM then there probably aren't many about now. I'm sure there were many American wheel manufacturers who never appeared on our radar in the UK, beyond the famous names like Cragar and Centerline.
Then again I could be dead wrong.
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Rob M
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@zeb
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Sept 5, 2019 17:27:35 GMT
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This is the nearest I have got. Apollo rims. Looking at the OP posted wheels, the protruding centre ( where you would fit the centre cap ) is reminiscent of 240z wheels. Japanese rims, perhaps?
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Sept 5, 2019 18:13:16 GMT
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Me found those wheels, asked Thomas for an investigation, he posted then on RR, didn expect that much replies !!
I should and will propose myself too here, am a car nut as Thomas is.
Indeed 2 wheels are on a sort of trailer axle, even a bigger surprise the other 2 wheels lied next to them and made a set of 4!
I like ATS like ribbed wheels, pitty they don't fit on my classic J-tin. (4x114.3)
cheers.
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Last Edit: Sept 5, 2019 18:21:27 GMT by liondriver
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Sept 5, 2019 18:59:37 GMT
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could be old beemer but they look italian to me. very similar to a cosmic but not them. dfinetly thinking italin.
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Can someone ID these wheels? Mercdan68
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Sept 5, 2019 19:34:54 GMT
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This is the nearest I have got. Apollo rims. Looking at the OP posted wheels, the protruding centre ( where you would fit the centre cap ) is reminiscent of 240z wheels. Japanese rims, perhaps? Sorry to hijack But those kn Apollo’s are great I bought a set new back in the mid 80s Never seen a set since Wanted some for a ford a while ago
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Last Edit: Sept 5, 2019 19:35:19 GMT by Mercdan68
Fraud owners club member 1999 Jaguar s type 1993 ford escort
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Sept 16, 2019 18:40:25 GMT
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Checked the rims: rather rough casting without any machining. Pattern is 5x 118 mm, size 14 inch 6J , printed in casting And discovered they are problably from a twin axle horse trailer of the seventies, usa style ;D Like this 1987 Charmac one :
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