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And the Noble M12 shares rear lights with the mk1 Mondeo... This is a fascinating rabbithole we've disappeared down... But they aren’t the same tail lights? So, maybe they don’t?
I thought it was just me!
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MiataMark
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McLaren F1 used bus rear lights...
The Noble is also mentioned.
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Just the wrong body style. Saloon rear lights not hatch.
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Perhaps not quite so relevant now with very cheap manufacturing available in certain countries of the world, but it makes perfect sense for earlier built cars. I mean can you imagine the tooling cost alone just to make a pair of tail lights for example. Just not worth it, which is obviously why (particularly low volume, small companies) did it
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MiataMark
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On the shared thing, Marina door handles & indeed heater vents on the Mrs’s Esprit You could have a whole thread on cars that use those BL door handles, Maxi, Marina, Discovery...
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Last Edit: Jul 25, 2019 7:58:19 GMT by MiataMark
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retrolegends
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Well I didnt know that.......retrolegends
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Austin Rover parts bin at work again. Oh and still using the Marina/Allegro door handles on the Disco
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1974 Hillman Avenger 1500DL1992 Volvo 240SE1975 Datsun Cherry 100a flying custard1965 Hillman SuperMinx Rock N Roller1974 Austin Allegrat Mk1 1.3SDL1980 Austin Allegro Mk3 1.3L1982 Austin Allegro Mk3 on banded steels2003 Saab 9-3 Convertible 220bhp TurboNutter1966 Morris Minor 1000 (Doris) 2019 Abarth 595C Turismo (not retro but awesome fun) www.facebook.com/DatsunCherry100a
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parts bin raiding is far from uncommon.go back 30-40 years and vw/audi/porsche were at it like rabbits!! (geddit!!? ;-) )
suspension...switchgear..engine/transmissions...even down to minor clips and brackets.
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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The Freelander test mule was a Maestro van, which brings rabbit hole back in a loop and points back to the Maestro van using a VW Golf gearbox...
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1968 Cal Look Beetle - 2007cc motor - 14.45@93mph in full street trim 1970-ish Karmann Beetle cabriolet - project soon to be re-started. 1986 Scirocco - big plans, one day!
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retrolegends
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Well I didnt know that.......retrolegends
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1974 Hillman Avenger 1500DL1992 Volvo 240SE1975 Datsun Cherry 100a flying custard1965 Hillman SuperMinx Rock N Roller1974 Austin Allegrat Mk1 1.3SDL1980 Austin Allegro Mk3 1.3L1982 Austin Allegro Mk3 on banded steels2003 Saab 9-3 Convertible 220bhp TurboNutter1966 Morris Minor 1000 (Doris) 2019 Abarth 595C Turismo (not retro but awesome fun) www.facebook.com/DatsunCherry100a
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parts bin raiding is far from uncommon.go back 30-40 years and vw/audi/porsche were at it like rabbits!! (geddit!!? ;-) ) suspension...switchgear..engine/transmissions...even down to minor clips and brackets. "Cept if you wanted one with 'porsche' on the box they added a zero to the price Ask me how I know.....
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parts bin raiding is far from uncommon.go back 30-40 years and vw/audi/porsche were at it like rabbits!! (geddit!!? ;-) ) suspension...switchgear..engine/transmissions...even down to minor clips and brackets. Is it parts bin though, or is it just clever economics & common sense? I’d say the latter, why wouldn’t you use a part on more than one vehicle, cause you would. J bike manufacturers do it all the time across dozens & dozens of models
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But they aren’t the same tail lights? So, maybe they don’t?
I thought it was just me!
Mk1 mondeo saloon not hatchback.
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parts bin raiding is far from uncommon.go back 30-40 years and vw/audi/porsche were at it like rabbits!! (geddit!!? ;-) ) suspension...switchgear..engine/transmissions...even down to minor clips and brackets. Is it parts bin though, or is it just clever economics & common sense? I’d say the latter, why wouldn’t you use a part on more than one vehicle, cause you would. J bike manufacturers do it all the time across dozens & dozens of models Very true, when I was studying engineering at uni one of the golden rules that was drummed into us was to use existing components wherever possible, and that's god knows how many years ago!
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MiataMark
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Jul 25, 2019 10:12:11 GMT
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On the shared thing, Marina door handles & indeed heater vents on the Mrs’s Esprit You could have a whole thread on cars that use those BL door handles, Maxi, Marina, Discovery... The Marina’s flush-fitting ‘safety’ door handles were first used by BL for the new-for-1973 Austin Allegro range, including its Vanden Plas and Innocenti Regent cousins. To help keep costs down, Leyland’s engineers plunged back into its large and bewildering parts bin again for the subsequent Triumph TR7 sports coupe, with the Marina’s door handles gracing the TR7’s extreme wedge flanks. The stillborn Rover-Triumph SD2 prototype (intended to replace the Dolomite series) and Australian Leyland P85 were both planned to utilise the Morris items as well.
Taking its lead from the popularity of the Monteverdi-modified four-door Range Rover in the early 1980s, Leyland returned to its faithful Marina external door handles once again when it began production of its own four-door Range Rover in 1981. This was followed in 1989 by Land Rover’s new Discovery, which ‘borrowed’ the Range Rover’s doors to reduce costs, thus also retaining the Morris door handles until 1998, long after the Marina donor had ceased production. Bizarrely, the badge-engineered Honda Crossroad – a rebranded early Discovery sold exclusively in the Japanese domestic market – also used the Marina’s door openers.
Away from the Leyland empire, the Morris door handles also found much favour with a number of specialist prestige sports car makers, niche coachbuilders and on self-assembly kit cars. Early examples of the exotic mid-engined Lotus Esprit, for example, incorporated Marina handles, along with the initial wedged Elite, Eclat and Excel models. AC’s low-production 3000 ME also used the Morris components, as did TVR’s SM prototype, plus the later Trident Venturer and Reliant Scimitar GTE and GTC models, as well as the latter’s Middlebridge-built successor.
Black cab makers Carbodies experimented with the Marina parts for its C4 taxi prototypes, with specialist sports car maker Ginetta swopping its earlier Ford-sourced external handles for Marina units on its G15 and G21 models. The handles were also used on the Elswick Envoy for restricted mobility motorists, as well as the William Towns-styled Minisima concept that inspired that car.
The Marina components also became the door handles of choice for an extensive variety of moderately obscure self-build kit cars, both in the UK and overseas. These included the appealing Steven Cipher two-seat roadster, the NCF Diamond SUV, Magenta TXR and popular GTM Coupe, as well as the stillborn Gilbern T111, the Alto Duo city car, the McLaren M6-inspired UVA GTR, GP Centron 2, Whitby Warrior, Griffon GD-XM, Kingfisher Sprint, the American Quincy Lynn Centurion, the FDL Mararn and Magnum Spectre from Auckland; the list goes on…
Although not used quite as extensively, the Marina’s very 1970s interior door handles – in black, diamond-pattern plastic – also found their way into a number of other cars, spanning the sectors from Austin Maxis and rubber bumper MGBs, all the way up to the plush and exclusive Bristol 411! Other Marina components could be found elsewhere too, such as the model’s Triumph Toledo-derived gearbox in the MG Midget 1500.
Perhaps the most surprising use of any Morris Marina components though can be found in a most unlikely car; the Lamborghini Diablo! As surprising as it might seem, the indicator stalk in the outlandish Diablo is taken directly from the Morris, just as the 200mph Lamborghini also shares the Marina’s windscreen wiper stalk; quite some legacy for British Leyland’s much-maligned 1970s underachiever!From hereBut Lamborghini Diablo uses Morris Marina's windscreen wiper stalk has to beat anything else. Yes I should be doing some work not searching information about door handles on Google.
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MiataMark
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Jul 25, 2019 10:14:28 GMT
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removed double post
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Last Edit: Jul 25, 2019 10:15:32 GMT by MiataMark
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Jul 25, 2019 10:18:02 GMT
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parts bin raiding is far from uncommon.go back 30-40 years and vw/audi/porsche were at it like rabbits!! (geddit!!? ;-) ) suspension...switchgear..engine/transmissions...even down to minor clips and brackets. Is it parts bin though, or is it just clever economics & common sense? I’d say the latter, why wouldn’t you use a part on more than one vehicle, cause you would. J bike manufacturers do it all the time acros s dozens & dozens of models I'm all for it...it makes sourcing spares a touch easier too.
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
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Jul 25, 2019 10:18:30 GMT
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You could have a whole thread on cars that use those BL door handles, Maxi, Marina, Discovery... The Marina’s flush-fitting ‘safety’ door handles were first used by BL for the new-for-1973 Austin Allegro range, including its Vanden Plas and Innocenti Regent cousins. To help keep costs down, Leyland’s engineers plunged back into its large and bewildering parts bin again for the subsequent Triumph TR7 sports coupe, with the Marina’s door handles gracing the TR7’s extreme wedge flanks. The stillborn Rover-Triumph SD2 prototype (intended to replace the Dolomite series) and Australian Leyland P85 were both planned to utilise the Morris items as well.
Taking its lead from the popularity of the Monteverdi-modified four-door Range Rover in the early 1980s, Leyland returned to its faithful Marina external door handles once again when it began production of its own four-door Range Rover in 1981. This was followed in 1989 by Land Rover’s new Discovery, which ‘borrowed’ the Range Rover’s doors to reduce costs, thus also retaining the Morris door handles until 1998, long after the Marina donor had ceased production. Bizarrely, the badge-engineered Honda Crossroad – a rebranded early Discovery sold exclusively in the Japanese domestic market – also used the Marina’s door openers.
Away from the Leyland empire, the Morris door handles also found much favour with a number of specialist prestige sports car makers, niche coachbuilders and on self-assembly kit cars. Early examples of the exotic mid-engined Lotus Esprit, for example, incorporated Marina handles, along with the initial wedged Elite, Eclat and Excel models. AC’s low-production 3000 ME also used the Morris components, as did TVR’s SM prototype, plus the later Trident Venturer and Reliant Scimitar GTE and GTC models, as well as the latter’s Middlebridge-built successor.
Black cab makers Carbodies experimented with the Marina parts for its C4 taxi prototypes, with specialist sports car maker Ginetta swopping its earlier Ford-sourced external handles for Marina units on its G15 and G21 models. The handles were also used on the Elswick Envoy for restricted mobility motorists, as well as the William Towns-styled Minisima concept that inspired that car.
The Marina components also became the door handles of choice for an extensive variety of moderately obscure self-build kit cars, both in the UK and overseas. These included the appealing Steven Cipher two-seat roadster, the NCF Diamond SUV, Magenta TXR and popular GTM Coupe, as well as the stillborn Gilbern T111, the Alto Duo city car, the McLaren M6-inspired UVA GTR, GP Centron 2, Whitby Warrior, Griffon GD-XM, Kingfisher Sprint, the American Quincy Lynn Centurion, the FDL Mararn and Magnum Spectre from Auckland; the list goes on…
Although not used quite as extensively, the Marina’s very 1970s interior door handles – in black, diamond-pattern plastic – also found their way into a number of other cars, spanning the sectors from Austin Maxis and rubber bumper MGBs, all the way up to the plush and exclusive Bristol 411! Other Marina components could be found elsewhere too, such as the model’s Triumph Toledo-derived gearbox in the MG Midget 1500.
Perhaps the most surprising use of any Morris Marina components though can be found in a most unlikely car; the Lamborghini Diablo! As surprising as it might seem, the indicator stalk in the outlandish Diablo is taken directly from the Morris, just as the 200mph Lamborghini also shares the Marina’s windscreen wiper stalk; quite some legacy for British Leyland’s much-maligned 1970s underachiever!From hereBut Lamborghini Diablo uses Morris Marina's windscreen wiper stalk has to beat anything else. Yes I should be doing some work not searching information about door handles on Google. My Delorean uses the same wiper stalk
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Jul 25, 2019 12:42:27 GMT
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You could have a whole thread on cars that use those BL door handles, Maxi, Marina, Discovery... The Marina’s flush-fitting ‘safety’ door handles were first used by BL for the new-for-1973 Austin Allegro range, etc
Are they BL though, or Wilmot-Breeden? People forget that manufacturers have always “bought-in” some components from specialist manufacturers like Lucas, Smiths, etc. Reliant commissioned Lucas to make these rear lights in a joint venture with Lotus. Jensen-Healey paid Reliant and Lotus to use them. Aston, Maserati and TVR used them later too. The SS1 uses mk3 Capri rear lights (mounted upside down) - you could write another book on shared components on the SS1 The big Scimitars use Viva/Firenza (Lucas L787) front indicators
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Jul 25, 2019 20:06:39 GMT
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lucas was certainly a force in the ok motor industry. our local lucas shop used to be a boon for anything and everything electrical automotive and marine. R.I.P....
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
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Well I didnt know that.......retrolegends
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Jul 25, 2019 20:16:59 GMT
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Oxfordshire based British Leyland logistics parts arm Unipart is still trading as a successful British logistics consultant company meaning BL is still alive and trading in Cowley. (sort of). 😂
(I wonder if they’ve still got any wings for my Allegro).
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1974 Hillman Avenger 1500DL1992 Volvo 240SE1975 Datsun Cherry 100a flying custard1965 Hillman SuperMinx Rock N Roller1974 Austin Allegrat Mk1 1.3SDL1980 Austin Allegro Mk3 1.3L1982 Austin Allegro Mk3 on banded steels2003 Saab 9-3 Convertible 220bhp TurboNutter1966 Morris Minor 1000 (Doris) 2019 Abarth 595C Turismo (not retro but awesome fun) www.facebook.com/DatsunCherry100a
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