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May 21, 2019 15:10:14 GMT
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Mrs Bounce has a 2010 Toyota Yaris. It's a very pleasant little car and servicing it should be a walk in the park. It isn't. I can't even do a proper oil change on it. Why? Because I can't change the oil filter. Before you all jump on the bandwagon and tell me to use this tool or the other, I have 3 different types of oil filter removal tools and none of them work. The car in question has a cartridge filter, which is held in an aluminium casing which is part of the engine. All of my tools cannot undo this. "No problem!" I thought. "I'll get one from a Motor Factors". Nope. Not unless I pay more than it would cost me for the oil and filter. Halfords were (unsurprisingly) useless. All the other Motor Factors only had what I already had. I even went to Toyota themselves who do not sell the tool required to remove it. So modern cars can go and take a jump. I know I can get a specific tool from the good old internet, but that doesn't help me today... Here's a picture of my favourite Toyota to make things a bit better.
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Last Edit: May 21, 2019 15:11:16 GMT by mrbounce
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ChasR
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May 21, 2019 17:53:10 GMT
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That is a strange looking tool! I wouldn't say the tool costs that much more than a filter unless you're going for the cheapest filter you can buy . But old 'uns have awkward tools too . My W124 had a £60 crank lock to tighten the crank bolt to its crazy torque setting ; putting the car in gear, with a handbrake and other stuff only got me to half of the torque figure 2CV needed a £30 tool for the wheel bearing. Something the last owner decided he'd rather not buy and then tried to fob me off it "it gets quiet once it's warm" Errr. Yeah right! W124 required an £8 tool for the oil filter; my E320, so that may make you feel better about your cause. Both my 944s required the same tool (people who have done them will know they are a pain in the fox to change), but that tool paid for itself pretty quickly. Volvo Amazons require an unobtainable tool to do the rear wheel bearings. You're talking hundreds for when a tool comes for sale, or counting on someone to lend you one. My mate tried all sorts to change to bearing on his Amazon as did a respected classic car specialist. The tool in the end was the only thing to sort it out. I know it's an expense, but I'd get the tool, be glad that you've saved a small fortune from a garage doing the job (or rather cocking it over from overtightening the sump plug, overfilling the engine, or putting in the wrong grade) and pass the information on, sort of as you have here . It's about time I showed the pics of the said tools : The Balljoint splitter has come in handy in tight spots . Those with a 2CV can say they have seen this tool before if they have worked on a previously bodged engine : M7 Helicoils aren't available easily at very short notice :
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May 21, 2019 19:05:45 GMT
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I have ordered the appropriate tool from t'internet and shall perform the necessary violence this weekend. I am always one for using the right tool for the job - it's just the fact that I had 3 different versions for oil filter removal and none worked! You would have thought that at least one motor factor would have had one though... I have a piston ring compressor and a dial gauge for building my Midas engine that I bought specifically for the job
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May 21, 2019 19:15:56 GMT
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The money I spent with Matco buying the tools to repair the head bolt issue on ford tritons is mind blowing. Luckily, once you buy it and do one people come out of the woodwork to sell you broken ones or have them repaired. It’s not something I see as often now happily.
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May 21, 2019 19:18:38 GMT
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I'm still trying to get over changing the sidelight bulbs in my Cube. There is literaly no need for it to be as difficult at it is. Oil change is a piece o' pie though.
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We're not supposed to be able to service or repair new cars/anything. It's all part of a global conspiracy to make us buy new ones every year.
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We have a 4 year Vauxhall Mokka - owned from a few months old / 1500 miles - I don't do anything on it - it goes to our local independent garage whom are reliable & honest - they service & MOT it - never had a invoice for more than £170 including the MOT - rather than me getting involved its sorted - keeping me free to work on the classics / retros which is what I would rather be doing & having some fun with them - that alone is worth the price of the garage invoice in my book
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I can play.
Had a 1982 Ford Cortina Pickup in 1986 and wanted to do some work, had to buy a special 90’ large Allen wrench, with handle to get something done, cannot recall, but never used it since, still own it.
Made some successful tools over the years, mostly simple, small solutions.
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I have a 2009 fiat bravo, it was loosing coolant, EVENTUALLY due to it only leaking when cold I found the leak, little O ring on the front of the engine.......... f****ng tw***ing thing, it’s not known as the B****rd O ring of death for nothing.
I actually got praise from the head mechanic at the local fiat dealers for doing the job myself.
OP’s white Toyota, I think even better looking than the e-type....
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Bicycle x1 Alfa Giulietta (now wife's) Alfa 156 BMW 630i
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I still have that size 32 (or was it 36?) nut from about 30 years ago when I had to do the rear brakes on my beetle. Never used it since.
But the op surely doesn´t mean available special tools for special occasions.
It´s that stupid "engineering wizardry" of today.
How many modern-ish cars need to spend a few hours (= working units) only to replace a bulb, new beetle or class A e.g.?
But isn´t it the same with printers, washing machines etc.? You shall not be able to repair them, but replace them.
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May 26, 2019 19:32:41 GMT
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I still have that size 32 (or was it 36?) nut from about 30 years ago when I had to do the rear brakes on my beetle. Never used it since. But the op surely doesn´t mean available special tools for special occasions. It´s that stupid "engineering wizardry" of today. How many modern-ish cars need to spend a few hours (= working units) only to replace a bulb, new beetle or class A e.g.? But isn´t it the same with printers, washing machines etc.? You shall not be able to repair them, but replace them. You're welcome to change a headlight bulb in less than 5 minutes on my W108. I dare you .
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Last Edit: May 26, 2019 19:33:00 GMT by ChasR
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May 26, 2019 20:27:28 GMT
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Had to change the headlight bulb on my mother-in-laws Focus, instantly filled me with dread.
Took 5 mins, the headlight is designed to come out for this exact reason.
All cars new and old can be a pita.
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Had to change the headlight bulb on my mother-in-laws Focus, instantly filled me with dread. Took 5 mins, the headlight is designed to come out for this exact reason. All cars new and old can be a pita. Precisely. Look at 944s. There's a good reason why specialists charge around £1k for the job. Pretty much all of the rear suspension, then the gearbox and torque tube have to come out. Not a pleasant job.
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Had to change the headlight bulb on my mother-in-laws Focus, instantly filled me with dread. Took 5 mins, the headlight is designed to come out for this exact reason. All cars new and old can be a pita. Precisely. Look at 944s. There's a good reason why specialists charge around £1k for the job. Pretty much all of the rear suspension, then the gearbox and torque tube have to come out. Not a pleasant job. To change the headlight bulb? That is awkward The 36mm hubnut on the Beetle doesn't upset me as much as the 250lb/ft of torque it takes . Sheared off two extensions and managed to move the car along the ground against the gears and handbrake getting that one done The T25 has a 46mm hubnut for which I've bought a socket I've not yet been brave enough to try out...
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May 27, 2019 10:01:24 GMT
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If you want to know pain, try doing the rear disks and pads on a mk5 golf. Apparently the star bits are torqued to 44nm or something daft, I lifted the suspension and a 13st assistant trying to get it out and it didn't budge. Don't know how much it was actually torqued to, but 2ft breaker and 2 13st guy's aren't a match. Mate ended up taking it to the garage as it's easier to drop the rear hub to get to one of the bolts 🤷♂️
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May 27, 2019 17:47:10 GMT
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I used to think my old v12 jag was a pain to work on Then I bought this recently Even though it's 18 years old it's the newest car I own and I won't be buying anything newer ever again Somewhere in there is an engine with "6" camshafts direct injection 2 high pressure engine driven fuel pumps and a water cooled alternator ! Plus the usual oily bits It's a lovely car to drive but it's way to complicated for a mere peasant like me The sooner I sell it and buy a Bentley turbo or an American station wagon the better
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1992 240 Volvo T8 1955 Cadillac 1994 BMW E34 M5 (now sold ) 1999 BMW E36 sport touring x2 1967 Hillman imp Californian "rally spec" 1971 VW bay window (work in progress) 1999 Mazda 323F 1987 Jaguar XJ12 All current
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May 27, 2019 19:23:21 GMT
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changed the battery on swmbo's A4 cab (once i had youboobed how to get to the invisible clamp bolt) and was expecting to have to put the security code into stereo afterwards , yet was surprised not to have to. i did however have to raid the tinternet again to find out how to re-code the remote key then take it for a drive to extinguish the newly illuminated esp warning light...progress....piffle!!
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
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May 29, 2019 22:44:29 GMT
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I used to think my old v12 jag was a pain to work on Then I bought this recently Even though it's 18 years old it's the newest car I own and I won't be buying anything newer ever again Somewhere in there is an engine with "6" camshafts direct injection 2 high pressure engine driven fuel pumps and a water cooled alternator ! Plus the usual oily bits It's a lovely car to drive but it's way to complicated for a mere peasant like me The sooner I sell it and buy a Bentley turbo or an American station wagon the better Own my Merc. A CDI points based ignition system and an EFI system made of unobtanium as well as being capable of making grown men cry from an expense and problem solving perspective (no live data or OBD codes with these ) means in the Citroen world, people bin the D-Jetronic system. That said, despite the frankly poor MPG, it's a lovely old thing .
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May 30, 2019 12:08:37 GMT
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Precisely. Look at 944s. There's a good reason why specialists charge around £1k for the job. Pretty much all of the rear suspension, then the gearbox and torque tube have to come out. Not a pleasant job. To change the headlight bulb? That is awkward The 36mm hubnut on the Beetle doesn't upset me as much as the 250lb/ft of torque it takes . Sheared off two extensions and managed to move the car along the ground against the gears and handbrake getting that one done The T25 has a 46mm hubnut for which I've bought a socket I've not yet been brave enough to try out... Yeah, 46mm hubnut at 500Nm torque. I snapped my 2ft breaker bar undoing mine, with a 4ft scaffold pole slid over it and my 15st jumping on it. 205GTi, headlight bulbs, easy peasy, headlamps are held in by a spring clip either side, ping ping out it comes. Clutch cable, need to dismantle half the car to get it out....
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May 30, 2019 12:16:20 GMT
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205GTi, headlight bulbs, easy peasy, headlamps are held in by a spring clip either side, ping ping out it comes. Clutch cable, need to dismantle half the car to get it out.... Lol, I was going to mention the headlights. I had to replace mine twice as I kicked the curse word out of the front of my Rallye when I failed at getting the headlight back in after an hour 🤦🏼♂️😂 (The adjuster ball socket thing is an utter pita)
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Last Edit: May 30, 2019 12:17:05 GMT by joem83
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