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What are my options for smaller batteries. Is it those expensive odessey/red top gel ones? Looking for something smaller than an 063 battery (mini etc).
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Have a look at an 055 - has Japanese posts but you can get converters for a couple of quid.
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I ran my TVR on garden tractor battery. Now using a PC680 just because. I also considered lithium batteries due to weight, but a bit worried about the fire risk when charging.
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I have run a couple of my cars on Lawn tractor batteries like the 896 - but now use Odyssey batteries - But if not looking for sealed there are plenty of lead acid motor cycle batteries as well - It really depends on what sort of CCA you think you will need and for how long. Old tech carb/dizzy will need a bit more storage capacity than a Modern EFI.
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I have run a couple of my cars on Lawn tractor batteries like the 896 - but now use Odyssey batteries - But if not looking for sealed there are plenty of lead acid motor cycle batteries as well - It really depends on what sort of CCA you think you will need and for how long. Old tech carb/dizzy will need a bit more storage capacity than a Modern EFI. Would be for a mini marcos running minimal electrics, a-series engine, lightweight denso alternator, hi torque starter motor but with mappable ignition (no dizzy). the basic mini equivalent battery is a exide 063:- Capacity (C20)44 Ah CCA (EN) 420 A Length 207 mm Width 175 mm Height inc. terms 175 mm Odessey PC680 is:- Capacity (C20) 16 Ah MCA 280 A CCA (SAE) 170 A PHCA (5 sec) 520 A Length 185 mm Width 79 mm Height inc. terms 167 mm |
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Have a look at the specifications of the Yuasa battery range as you will find PC680 ratings at 60% of the price from a top class manufacturer. YB16B. If you want maintenance free then the "MF" range and the HPMF YTX16BS or YTX14BS. The stock YB16B I used on a Westy with a 1.8L Zetec 45's and Weber Alpha. www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/yuasa/ytx14h-bs/Some good alternatives as well www.tayna.co.uk/motorcycle-batteries/types/ytx14-bs/We used a PC545 on a 2.0L Duratec with a stock starter - Omex and throttle bodies. For the cost and packaging I find the Lucas 896 hard to beat. Depends on how much smaller you want and what the priorities are. |
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Apr 23, 2019 17:30:20 GMT
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Slightly off topic but while we're on track day car's batteries.
Is a gel battery any lighter than a regular acid battery?
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Generally they are as they are made to be used in light weight applications
I wouldnt bother tho. Use a lithium battery. Lead acid is old hat now. I use a 9ah on my car which works great as long as you don't leave the ignition on accidentally or somthing like that. They are so light you could carry a backup tho.. and no they don't blow up when you charge them! Does your mobile blow up when you charge it?
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If you do go smaller than a 063 I'd also invest in a smart charger. There is a reason why most cars in the UK have large batteries; colder temperatures lower the effective CCA of the battery, with heat killing batteries due to water loss etc. . Oddyseys from what I have seen don't take well to dropping below a certain level. You only have to go onto Track Time to see people moaning about capacity issues where they don't use their car often, or go to a car show where someone is struggling to start their car as it's turning over too slowly. Batteries still discharge when they are not being used. You may be better off just buying a 063 to avoid the above hassle factor, but that's just me  . Generally they are as they are made to be used in light weight applications I wouldnt bother tho. Use a lithium battery. Lead acid is old hat now. I use a 9ah on my car which works great as long as you don't leave the ignition on accidentally or somthing like that. They are so light you could carry a backup tho.. and no they don't blow up when you charge them! Does your mobile blow up when you charge it? Phones also have protection circuits in to prevent that  . Albeit, you can buy Lithium Ion chargers now to account for this. |
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Oddyseys from what I have seen don't take well to dropping below a certain level. You only have to go onto Track Time to see people moaning about capacity issues where they don't use their car often, or go to a car show where someone is struggling to start their car as it's turning over too slowly. Batteries still discharge when they are not being used. Neglect any battery and you can't complain if it lets you down. I've had an Odyssey in my rally car for 5 years now. Not used anything as much as I'd like. Still works fine despite me neglecting to hook it up to the Accumate for about 8 months after a sizeable 'off'. |
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They have the protection circuit built into the battery. It's not just a few cells linked together.
Also they hold their charge over time. So much better than lead acid anyway. As I say the only issue is thier capacity. They tend to be alot less capacity for a given cca so you do have to be careful when using the small ones that you don't run them flat accidentally. That's the only reason to avoid them on a road motor really.
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Oddyseys from what I have seen don't take well to dropping below a certain level. You only have to go onto Track Time to see people moaning about capacity issues where they don't use their car often, or go to a car show where someone is struggling to start their car as it's turning over too slowly. Batteries still discharge when they are not being used. Neglect any battery and you can't complain if it lets you down. I've had an Odyssey in my rally car for 5 years now. Not used anything as much as I'd like. Still works fine despite me neglecting to hook it up to the Accumate for about 8 months after a sizeable 'off'. True, but 'normal' batteries require less maintaining. That's the point I was trying to get at. I'd be willing to bet that 60% of this forum reckon an Accumate or a CTEK etc. is a waste of time. That's surprising. I've heard of them failing far sooner, and I've had Bosch S5s fail ; they also seem to hate losing anything more than a perfect charge; the only ones I've seen live have been ones on a maintainer/smartcharger. |
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Apr 25, 2019 21:54:03 GMT
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Fair point indeed. Yep and they'd be the same ones complaining about their battery failing. If you want "racecar" performance there is a price to be paid. If you're not going to look after it, 'normal' is the way to go.
I did buy my Odyssey on the basis of a 3 year life as it didn't need to be in a leak proof box which simplified installation location and was a cheap way to save 6kg so it has exceeded expectation. I will also admit to being pleasantly surprised when it was fine after the 8 months of neglect.
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What are my options for smaller batteries. Is it those expensive odessey/red top gel ones? Looking for something smaller than an 063 battery (mini etc). Thanks Matt I've tried running a small gel battery salvaged from a commercial 24v jump pack, they have 2 in them, its the same as the ones demon tweeks etc sell, starts a 2.0 pinto no problem, the only issue is it doesn't have traditional posts so not need to get imaginative or buy adaptors. I took it off as I wasn't happy with my creativity so I'm now using them as a power bank. Where are you, I have a spare you could buy for a lot less than a new one, they have been heavy discharge tested as ok |
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. Albeit, you can buy Lithium Ion chargers now to account for this.