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Mar 11, 2019 16:40:05 GMT
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"In addition to limiting the outright top speed of its new cars, Volvo plans to introduce two further speed limiting technologies on its future models. These include "smart speed control," which restricts the car's speed according to the road conditions, and a “geofencing” system, which automatically limits a driver's speed around hospitals and schools"
call me old fashioned... but i like to tell the machine what to do...not the other way around!!
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Have none of these engineer people seen The Terminator or The Matrix? Have they not seen what happens when you give machines intelligence?
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Mar 12, 2019 13:33:33 GMT
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"In addition to limiting the outright top speed of its new cars, Volvo plans to introduce two further speed limiting technologies on its future models. These include "smart speed control," which restricts the car's speed according to the road conditions, and a “geofencing” system, which automatically limits a driver's speed around hospitals and schools" call me old fashioned... but i like to tell the machine what to do...not the other way around!! I do too, as do probably pretty much all of the users of this forum I expect. But (you knew there would be a but right?) the standard of driving seems to be getting much worse in the UK. Every day I see people driving through red lights (and I mean proper red as the opposing lights turn green). This includes professional drivers. This morning it was lashing down in Manchester but still people were hacking across 3 lanes of motorway at the very last minute to get to their exit, driving way too close and way too fast. I live in a built up 30 zone and the traffic going past the end of my street is often going at 40-50. I often find the car in front pulling away, and even speeding up, as I slow down and pass the 30 sign. It seems that the modern driver is perfectly capable of determining which rules of the road are purely advisory, usually based on how terribly important and late they are. There's no way they'll reign themselves in until they kill someone so maybe the car doing it isn't so bad?
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ems1
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Mar 12, 2019 18:04:48 GMT
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According to an article in Auto Express, the EU want speed limiters to be fitted to all new cars in 3 years time, and the UK are following these rules after Brexit.
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ToolsnTrack
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Mar 12, 2019 18:06:26 GMT
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You can run out of talent and destroy a car just as well at 70mph as 112mph. This will not eliminate morons. If you think a capped 70mph limit on cars is a smart idea, try the M6 50mph roadworks. Traffic regardless, frustration, congestion, tailgating, all because no one can exceed a fixed limit. The onus for speeding is on the driver, if someone wants to barrel past me at 100mph, power to them. I wont risk my license, but I see the benefit in choice. If you are proclaiming that you are in favour of a limited car because someone sits up your trumpet, I might suggest you could be in the wrong lane. Whilst I do not perform these acts, I am still staggered by misplaced lane discipline more than speeding. No joke, EVERY DAY I pass at least one driver sat in the middle lane by default, passing nothing. Its ok though, because speed limit? No, not really. Today I merged behind someone onto a 3 lane motorway who INSTANTLY swerved into the middle lane and sat there. For 8 miles. Passing nothing. At the speed limit. Speed is not the problem, a total lack of driving knowledge is. FYI the head of the driver was doing the intermittent nod. Texting. I doubt the debate is going to go down well here, but I suggest that doing 80-90mph is safer than 70 in the middle lane on an empty road. Why? Because I know for a fact the person speeding is at least paying attention. Text driving should be a license killer. Despite this opinion, I can't see any issue with the geofencing proposal. I would take that over the top speed limiter actually, far more technically innovative, safe and in Volvo's ethos. If Volvo fit these limiters, a tuning company will sell a delimiter in a week. This is guaranteed, the story is almost a non-starter due to this. Anyway, when we going to see a leccy 2CV? Lighweight, slow anyway, classic city car, IMO crying out for an electric conversion.
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mgmrw
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Mar 13, 2019 22:39:51 GMT
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Like you say - in the real world there aren’t really any places you can drive fast without camera’s...don’t I don’t think it’s going to matter to a lot of people. Speak for yourself. I know of at least 4 places on my rural commute, where if I so chose to I could comfortably get past that Volvo limit, in your average diesel saloon with 150-180bhp. Not saying that I do. But it's easily possible. Empty, wide, long, flat A and B roads.
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Mar 13, 2019 23:53:22 GMT
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"In addition to limiting the outright top speed of its new cars, Volvo plans to introduce two further speed limiting technologies on its future models. These include "smart speed control," which restricts the car's speed according to the road conditions, and a “geofencing” system, which automatically limits a driver's speed around hospitals and schools" call me old fashioned... but i like to tell the machine what to do...not the other way around!! I do too, as do probably pretty much all of the users of this forum I expect. But (you knew there would be a but right?) the standard of driving seems to be getting much worse in the UK. Every day I see people driving through red lights (and I mean proper red as the opposing lights turn green). This includes professional drivers. This morning it was lashing down in Manchester but still people were hacking across 3 lanes of motorway at the very last minute to get to their exit, driving way too close and way too fast. I live in a built up 30 zone and the traffic going past the end of my street is often going at 40-50. I often find the car in front pulling away, and even speeding up, as I slow down and pass the 30 sign. It seems that the modern driver is perfectly capable of determining which rules of the road are purely advisory, usually based on how terribly important and late they are. There's no way they'll reign themselves in until they kill someone so maybe the car doing it isn't so bad? Exactly this. The same thing is happening here in New Zealand and I'd be surprised if the situation is vastly different anywhere else. I believe that far too many people are relying on the technology too much and can't actually drive. Modern "safe" cars are all very well as far as they go but they definitely have their down side in that the multitudes of driver assist devices now commonly fitted as standard equipment tend to create a false sense of invincibility leading some drivers to take stupid risks, often without even realizing what they are doing.
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Oh goody, even more "safety technology" to give drivers a false sense of security. A couple of important points have already been raised in this thread. People drive increasing worse these days because they seem to feel invincible in their safer cars, and people can drive dangerously at any speed.
Call me cynical but I can actually see this sort of technology having more of an adverse effect on the general standard of driving.
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I do too, as do probably pretty much all of the users of this forum I expect. But (you knew there would be a but right?) the standard of driving seems to be getting much worse in the UK. Every day I see people driving through red lights (and I mean proper red as the opposing lights turn green). This includes professional drivers. This morning it was lashing down in Manchester but still people were hacking across 3 lanes of motorway at the very last minute to get to their exit, driving way too close and way too fast. I live in a built up 30 zone and the traffic going past the end of my street is often going at 40-50. I often find the car in front pulling away, and even speeding up, as I slow down and pass the 30 sign. It seems that the modern driver is perfectly capable of determining which rules of the road are purely advisory, usually based on how terribly important and late they are. There's no way they'll reign themselves in until they kill someone so maybe the car doing it isn't so bad? Exactly this. The same thing is happening here in New Zealand and I'd be surprised if the situation is vastly different anywhere else. I believe that far too many people are relying on the technology too much and can't actually drive. Modern "safe" cars are all very well as far as they go but they definitely have their down side in that the multitudes of driver assist devices now commonly fitted as standard equipment tend to create a false sense of invincibility leading some drivers to take stupid risks, often without even realizing what they are doing.
It's also worth mentioning that a lot of modern cars have poorer outward visibility, especially rearward. The most egregious example of this would have to be the fifth generation Chevy Camaro, it's like driving a damn pillbox.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:40:22 GMT
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I agree on most of the stuff above. Just this morning I was driving a (borrowed) nearly new Corsa and it was nice, smooth, comfy and quiet but so easy to go over the speed limit, because I felt insulated from the road. It felt really slow with the digital speedo dead on 30mph. It's no surprise that people don't know they're breaking the limit until it's too late. Especially if everyone else is doing the same speed. In contrast my own (not very retro) daily has minimal sound insulation and quite bumpy suspension (sorry for bamboozling you with technical lingo there!) so I can get a much better feel for how fast the car is going. Usually not very.
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Mar 14, 2019 14:45:33 GMT
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I have a new 68 plate Sprinter in work that stops for you if it thinks you aren't paying attention (And it's far too cautious) and beeps whenever you aren't perfectly between the white lines. Best thing for road safety is to stick a big spike where the airbag should be, wouldn't get people driving depending on the car to save them then. Standards of driving have become dire.
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Mar 14, 2019 17:05:28 GMT
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At the end of the day, cars don't kill people, people kill people. Until this new self driving thing takes over of course
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mgmrw
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Mar 14, 2019 18:55:16 GMT
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I have a new 68 plate Sprinter in work that stops for you if it thinks you aren't paying attention (And it's far too cautious) and beeps whenever you aren't perfectly between the white lines. Best thing for road safety is to stick a big spike where the airbag should be, wouldn't get people driving depending on the car to save them then. Standards of driving have become dire. Parents 2015 e class does the panic thing. Has a meltdown every time you go round a mini roundabout.
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mgmrw
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Mar 14, 2019 18:56:37 GMT
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Oh goody, even more "safety technology" to give drivers a false sense of security. A couple of important points have already been raised in this thread. People drive increasing worse these days because they seem to feel invincible in their safer cars, and people can drive dangerously at any speed. Call me cynical but I can actually see this sort of technology having more of an adverse effect on the general standard of driving. Agreed. Live in rural Lincolnshire. Most of the people driving badly, dithering at 30-45 in a 60, then speed in a 30.... They're in 2015+ cars.
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Oh goody, even more "safety technology" to give drivers a false sense of security. A couple of important points have already been raised in this thread. People drive increasing worse these days because they seem to feel invincible in their safer cars, and people can drive dangerously at any speed. Call me cynical but I can actually see this sort of technology having more of an adverse effect on the general standard of driving. Agreed. Live in rural Lincolnshire. Most of the people driving badly, dithering at 30-45 in a 60, then speed in a 30.... They're in 2015+ cars. Also those who drive at 70km/h in a 100 zone on the highway blissfully unaware of the string of traffic behind them then when they come to a small town with a 50 limit they keep right on doing 70. I will admit to pushing the envelope a bit on the open highway most of the time but I always slow down through town.
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lusciousthelock
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Didn't America do this in the 70's and fit all cars with an 85mph speedo? I remember back in 1987 my American Step Dad imported over his Pontiac Trans Am that had some ridiculous V8 engine that topped out at 92mph. He soon traded that in for a Montego Mayfair
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Deep breath. 50% of all people who have a driving licence should have them revoked. The standard of driving in the uk has deteriated in parallel with the introduction of technology. I have been a member of HPC for about 20+ years and am in the process of putting my children through their rather rigorous driver training. This should be the standard that everybody has to attain in order to have a driving licence. Their mantra of “matching speed with grip an vision” has been drilled into my kids from the first time they got in the car with me. 4 lane motorways? You mean the “middle” lane is now lane 3 with nothing on the inside 2 whilst completely oblivious to what is going on in the world. Want to make the sheep more aware of whst is going on? Make the windows automatically open at 60. Much more use than limiting speed.... Not the most coherent rant but you get the idea. P.
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mgmrw
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Mar 15, 2019 23:00:48 GMT
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Agreed. Live in rural Lincolnshire. Most of the people driving badly, dithering at 30-45 in a 60, then speed in a 30.... They're in 2015+ cars. Also those who drive at 70km/h in a 100 zone on the highway blissfully unaware of the string of traffic behind them then when they come to a small town with a 50 limit they keep right on doing 70. I will admit to pushing the envelope a bit on the open highway most of the time but I always slow down through town. Yes, exactly the same here
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stealthstylz
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As far as I can tell from any statistics I can find they don't back up any of the claims made here. Although the number of vehicles on the road has risen, the number of reported accidents, injuries and deaths has been greatly reduced, so everything they've done is working. They're aiming for 0 road deaths by 2050 iirc so safety features are only going to get more invasive to make up for the meatbag behind the wheel.
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