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Feb 14, 2019 14:29:53 GMT
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good spot
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Feb 14, 2019 14:56:09 GMT
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I'll add it to the ever growing list of things that are going to kill me with cancer
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Feb 15, 2019 12:10:27 GMT
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only thing that wont kill you is.....ummm...ill get back to you!!!
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating '80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip '97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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Tamber
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Shattered. Held together by spite and tape.
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Feb 24, 2019 12:54:11 GMT
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only thing that wont kill you is.....ummm...ill get back to you!!! Life is a sexually transmitted disease, with a 100% mortality rate. Enjoy it while you can.
But, back on-topic, ish; it's *always* been advised that you have ventilation to remove welding fumes so that you're not breathing them (Even if the smell of burning 6013 is great. ), they're not all that good for you. Just like exhaust fumes, fumes from paint thinners/strippers, etc... Will they kill you outright? Probably not, unless the concentration is really high; but over the years, curse word can build up in your body.
Maybe you won't suffer any ill effects years or decades down the line, maybe you will. Maybe they won't be bad, maybe they will be. There's no guarantees either way; but no matter what you do, there's always risk. (For some, more than others. I moved my truck, yesterday, with no exhaust manifold on so it filled the cab with thick exhaust smoke. Not smart, I know!)
And for the sake of an extraction fan and some dryer hose, and/or some sort of appropriate mask, is it really worth rolling that particular set of dice so much?
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-< Welder. Allegedly a mechanic. Bodger of Things >- * 1958? Bedford RL - Progress: Glacial. * 1994 Skoda Favorit - It's baaaaaaaack! * 2018 Herald Classic - Off the road, indefinitely.
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Feb 24, 2019 13:25:05 GMT
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I feel sorry for the next generations that only can wield a finger,not a spanner. Cannot cut,weld or grind,unless it's on an Xbox. In 50 years time they will regret it, lying in hospital, dying of nothing....ππππ
Bit of common sense is all that's needed with most things....
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Feb 24, 2019 13:44:28 GMT
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I feel sorry for the next generations that only can wield a finger,not a spanner. Cannot cut,weld or grind,unless it's on an Xbox. In 50 years time they will regret it, lying in hospital, dying of nothing....ππππ Bit of common sense is all that's needed with most things.... Yeh - In complete agreement not seen that 'Common sense' in a X Box format yet though
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Tamber
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Feb 24, 2019 15:48:33 GMT
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This "health and safety vs common sense" thing is a bit of a hot button for me, having worked in a few places that were utter curse word-shows that loved to trot out that "common sense" line after acts such as having someone shuffle 150 feet down the workshop with his back to the wall, 20 feet up on the 6-inch-wide overhead crane track, to reach a crane they'd ripped the control-pendant off.
Contrary to what the "YOU MUST FILL OUT THIS MOUNTAIN OF FORMS IN TRIPLICATE" types would have you believe, health and safety is -- in the main -- common sense. For example, sitting there breathing vapourised god-knows-what all day is, at least to me, not a particularly sensible idea. (Scraped enough black snot out of my nose, and had the shakes from welding galv the "hold your breath for a bit" way...) Nor is squinting and dodging sparks, rather than taking a minute to go get a face-shield or goggles, because you've gotten away with it *this* long with only a few A&E visits that you didn't lose an eye over. (Been there, too. Twice, so far. I'd like to think I learnt my damn lesson by this time.) Nor is sticking your fingers into a machine with no safeties/interlocks/guards, to line things up, because "that's how you do it. Stop being so soft" (Got away with that far too many times, still have all my digits but it would've been very easy to have lost one or more of them a good few times.)
Stepping/jumping over the pit rather than walking round it is probably asking for trouble, too, but hey-ho. (Having said that, I'll trip and face-plant straight down it, now...) If you want to walk into everything screaming and crying that doing things the "health and safety" way means filling out a million forms before you can put on your mandated hi-vis oversuit, hard-hat, safety specs, ear defenders, and gloves before stepping out of the front door; then you're turning it into a religion. There are far too many companies out there that do that already (Looking at you, V******), and for some stupid reason too many people see it as the *only* way to work safely. All that's doing is providing work for paperwork shufflers, and any safety improvements that come out of it are almost accidental. (And it's usually driven by pressure from an insurance company trying to avoid having to pay out, more than anything.) Paperwork and rigid, mindless procedure-following doesn't make you safe. If anything, it makes people complacent or dismissive, and less likely to work safely. On the flip-side, if you're sat there claiming that you can't get *anything* done unless you're sat wheezing in a thick fog of fumes with your ears ringing, squinting as your guard-less grinder hurls sparks and grit into your face, maybe you should go get some fresh air and a cup of tea while you think about what you're actually trying to achieve.
Then go out and buy yourself a little bloody extractor fan, a length of dryer hose, some goggles and earplugs, and find the guard for your bloody grinder so you don't lop off a finger next time it kicks back. You only get one body, and -- for now, at least -- spare parts are expensive and hard to fit.
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-< Welder. Allegedly a mechanic. Bodger of Things >- * 1958? Bedford RL - Progress: Glacial. * 1994 Skoda Favorit - It's baaaaaaaack! * 2018 Herald Classic - Off the road, indefinitely.
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"And it's usually driven by pressure from an insurance company trying to avoid having to pay out, more than anything."
Summed up in one line there....π Used to work in a place like that. Their Heath and safety was over the top to say the least. Pity it had nothing to do with your Health or your Safety. Window dressing of note.....π€ Best demonstrated up by an Old,dangerous twit ,(who's actions had already seen a youngster spend the rest of his days in a wheelchair ), showing an apprentice how to stick weld whilst standing outside in the rain...... Go figureπ‘
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We joke about H&S a lot more than we should at the office. As others have said PPE will only protect you if you are not an actual idiot. Too many people seem to be under the impression that a hi-vis vest is some sort of magical cloak of invincibility. It isn't. Several employees of the huge multi-national company I work for have died in recent years while wearing the appropriate PPE for the task but not also using their own intelligence to limit the taking of stupid risks.
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