brachunky
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Reading another members thread about a replacement for his Essex V6 got me thinking of how many "modern" engines have roots in something really getting on in years. Some have honestly proven their worth! To start, my inline 6 in the F100 started in 1965 and was used in various guises up until about 1996/7 and remains a good 'ol torqey engine same as the Essex.
Don't give up on them I say!
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tristanh
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The Ford Fiesta / Ka 1.3 and 1.6, is based on the Ford Crossflow, which itself is based on the pre Crossflow, which first saw use in about 1959 in the Anglia. So nigh on 50 years of use.
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Whether you believe you can, or you cannot, you're probably right.
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I know it's not current nowadays but they only stopped making the rover V8 in 2004 and that went way back not just with rover but from its Buick days
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1992 240 Volvo T8
1955 Cadillac
1994 BMW E34 M5 (now sold )
1999 BMW E36 sport touring x2
1967 Hillman imp Californian "rally spec"
1971 VW bay window (work in progress)
1999 Mazda 323F
1987 Jaguar XJ12
All current
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Alot of modern Fiat engines, including some diesels, are based on the good old Fiat twin-cam block, first introduced in 1966.
Then, there's the good ol' Chevrolet small block V8, produced from 1955-2003.
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benhar
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The Ford Fiesta / Ka 1.3 and 1.6, is based on the Ford Crossflow, which itself is based on the pre Crossflow, which first saw use in about 1959 in the Anglia. So nigh on 50 years of use. 2019 - 1959 > 50
Only good one was in the lotus.
Ben
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Phil H
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I know it's not current nowadays but they only stopped making the rover V8 in 2004 and that went way back not just with rover but from its Buick days They knew how to get the most out of a design - the A series, well over 50 years. Even the B series made it almost as far as the millennium as well, as the T16 although it was resembling triggers broom my then. |
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vader
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Stag engine designed in the late 60s but just for the Stag. Was going to be 2.5 V8 fuel injected but ended up 3.0 V8 twin carb. Launched in 1970 it’s now 49 years old. No ancestors or off spring, probably due to it overheating!
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Triumph Stag
Ducati Supersport
Shanks’s Pony
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adam73bgt
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The Rolls Royce/Bentley L Series V8 has been in production in one form or another since 1959 and a derivative of it is still used in the Mulsanne   |
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Feb 10, 2019 18:58:18 GMT
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They will not readily admit it but Subaru's original design for their 4 cylinder boxer engine  Was derived from this  Jowett's 1500 cc 4 cylinder boxer engine which left the drawing board for the production line in 1947 |
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brachunky
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Feb 10, 2019 19:16:00 GMT
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They will not readily admit it but Subaru's original design for their 4 cylinder boxer engine Was derived from this Jowett's 1500 cc 4 cylinder boxer engine which left the drawing board for the production line in 1947 Now thats an interesting bit of info! I bet the difference in bhp is a tad different! |
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Feb 10, 2019 19:27:21 GMT
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sadly no longer in production but the xk6 managed 43 years in various guises!  |
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'80 s1 924 turbo..hibernating
'80 golf gli cabriolet...doing impression of a skip
'97 pug 106 commuter...continuing cheapness making me smile!
firm believer in the k.i.s.s and f.i.s.h principles.
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colnerov
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Feb 10, 2019 19:31:47 GMT
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Stag engine designed in the late 60s but just for the Stag. Was going to be 2.5 V8 fuel injected but ended up 3.0 V8 twin carb. Launched in 1970 it’s now 49 years old. No ancestors or off spring, probably due to it overheating! Hi, They did have a sort of offspring in that there was slant four version as used in the Dolomite and TR7, but also found it's way into the Saab 99. Which Saab engineers improved and modified, because they couldn't leave things alone, and consequently found service right up to the end. Producing good power and more than capable of higher power outputs and are sought after even now. Colin |
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Ritchie
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Feb 11, 2019 15:39:35 GMT
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sadly no longer in production but the xk6 managed 43 years in various guises! A lovely lump, When I was an apprentice we had a scrap Daimler about with one in. I had a daft idea about dropping it in my 1300xl Mk1 Escort! |
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scimjim
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Feb 11, 2019 19:43:39 GMT
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If you accept that the Cologne was a (very close) development of the Taunus V4 of 1962, it just about made 50 years through 1.2, 1.3, 1.5, 1.7, 1.8, 2.0, 2.3 (Carb & EFi), 2.4 EFi, 2.6 (and RS injection), 2.8 (carb, turbo, MFi & EFi), 2.9 (12v EFi and Cosworth DOHC), 4.0 (OHV), to the 2012 Ford Ranger with the 4.0 (SOHC) spanning approx 40 - 210 BHP.   |
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Skoda's OHV 4 cyl engine was first used in the 1964 1000MB as a 988cc and made it all the way to a 1.4 engine in the Fabia but ended it's days as a 997cc again in the Lupo and Arosa!
(Actually I think the Fabia 1.4 was the last car to still have one fitted, in 2003)
Not bad I think, just shy of 40 years?
Also, with BMW having stopped production of any 6 cyl petrol a couple of years ago, it brought an end to a 37 year development run that started with a 127hp M20 and through M50, M52, M54, and N52 development generations, ended up with 268hp N53 in 2014. Which is kinda sad given that the straight-6 is what made BMW what they are now.
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They will not readily admit it but Subaru's original design for their 4 cylinder boxer engine... Was derived from this Jowett's 1500 cc 4 cylinder boxer engine which left the drawing board for the production line in 1947 Perhaps – but water-cooled boxers have been around since 1900 (Wilson-Pilcher is one manufacturer that springs to mind). Columbia did one in 1904, too. Not a new concept, at any rate, even when Jowett was getting around to 'em.  |
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melle
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Feb 12, 2019 10:54:35 GMT
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That's a particularly tasty (Saab race/ rally) V4, not exactly standard! |
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www.saabv4.com'70 Saab 96 V4 "The Devil's Own V4" '77 Saab 95 V4 van conversion project '88 Saab 900i 8V
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Feb 12, 2019 11:12:00 GMT
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They will not readily admit it but Subaru's original design for their 4 cylinder boxer engine... Was derived from this Jowett's 1500 cc 4 cylinder boxer engine which left the drawing board for the production line in 1947 Perhaps – but water-cooled boxers have been around since 1900 (Wilson-Pilcher is one manufacturer that springs to mind). Columbia did one in 1904, too. Not a new concept, at any rate, even when Jowett was getting around to 'em. Not splitting hairs here but I didn't state that Jowett's boxer design was anything new - simply the fact by & large Subaru used a lot of the design concept that Jowett put into their 4 cylinder boxer engine design - Incidentally Jowett started developing and manufacturing boxer engines in 1910 and prior to this having built engines for Scott between 1906 - 1910 |
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adam73bgt
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Feb 12, 2019 13:32:37 GMT
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Skoda's OHV 4 cyl engine was first used in the 1964 1000MB as a 988cc and made it all the way to a 1.4 engine in the Fabia but ended it's days as a 997cc again in the Lupo and Arosa! (Actually I think the Fabia 1.4 was the last car to still have one fitted, in 2003) Not bad I think, just shy of 40 years? Also, with BMW having stopped production of any 6 cyl petrol a couple of years ago, it brought an end to a 37 year development run that started with a 127hp M20 and through M50, M52, M54, and N52 development generations, ended up with 268hp N53 in 2014. Which is kinda sad given that the straight-6 is what made BMW what they are now. BMW still make straight 6 petrol engines? They're used across their range.. |
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Feb 12, 2019 15:18:40 GMT
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Hmm consider the vauxhallbedford first a 2.6 in cresta models straight six into a 3litre as used in the RL range of light trucks , 3 LITRE loads of low down torque, which morphed into the CIH straight six in the vauxhall range,then ended as a 24v carlton senator, and finally into the L.CARLTON I believe?
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