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Jan 24, 2019 15:53:56 GMT
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Hi all, Does anyone know how I could install these lovely Merc seats from 2005+ cars into my 1969 Merc shed?
There are some worries that these seats are hard to install due to things like CANBUS??
Seats of interest are ones like in the CLS W219....
ANY advice appreciated including contacts, gadgets, workarounds, links appreciated?
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Jan 25, 2019 16:48:56 GMT
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I've not had anything to do with these particular seats (bit new for me!) but I'd think that the CANBUS items are the airbags and associated restraint systems which you wouldn't need in your car anyway... possibly the seat positions and functions are controlled by a ECU of some sort too, but I'm guessing they're regular 12v motors so as long as you can figure out which motor does what you can wire up a set of switches to control them. Dunno, might be talking out of my hat but it doesn't seem you have anything to worry about to me.
PS. What 1969 Merc is it? Any pics?
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ChasR
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The seats will be part of the CANBUS but not an active part of it, if that makes any sense. I.E, it won't have special requirements.
Previously, I've got seats to power up with a 12V feed. of that age. The key of course is not to touch the airbag wiring. Generally, these tend to have a yellow connector, but it's always best to check.
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Happy days! So even if it has memory seats, If I don't want these, all I need to do is to provide power and all the up down and sidey bits should function? Good point re the airbags - they will be fecked off asap. Piccies:
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madmog
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I don't know if it's the case with those Merc seats, but it might be the case that the adjustment control switches might be running on a small current driving a larger current in the motor. Easiest way to see is if the wires coming from the control switches look weedier than those going to the motors.
I had Merc seats from a R129 that came with no switches in my Minor and had to use relays to stop (non Merc) switches burning out. Currently I have a set of seats from a VW Phaeton waiting to fit into my W114 saloon. Those each have a small computer in them (which I must stick on Ebay as they are no use to me) and I can't get the switches to do anything. But directly connecting each motor works so Relays and rewire will be the way to go. From memory you need 2 relays and 2 diodes per movement. Eg forward/backward movement needs a set of 2 relays & diodes. It's not complicated and I can explain further if you need. I actually used a Ford mirror control switch to control the seats. After burning a few out I figured relays might be needed.
PS with the airbags, if the same as my Phaeton ones, carefully remove and replace with foam sponge to keep the seat shape. Then, like in old westerns, run a long wire with a scotchblock off the airbag wire and blow up from a nice distance wearing eye protectors. That just reminded me actually, when I was testing the wiring in my Merc R129 seats, I set off a seatbelt pretensioner that I didn't know was there that also worked off an explosive charge. I was in the small box room of my flat at the time and my ears were ringing after. My trousers were pretty upset too. Plus seatbelt was wrecked. The explosive charge rolled up the seatbelt and locked it solid.
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Last Edit: Feb 7, 2019 20:41:45 GMT by madmog
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Bloody electrics. I HATE ELECTRICS!
Yes, removing the airbags will be easy enough. In fact, it would be even easier getting seats with deployed bags and then just getting it restitched......and the seat bases cleaned! 💩
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madmog
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Sometimes the seat airbags will break through the material at the side of a seat. If they're already deployed you can take a view as to how much work is needed to restitch/repair. If the airbag is in the seat, it's better to remove than risk it ruining the seat.
In the phaeton, the seat airbag space is shaped to send all of the force through a stitched seam - which perhaps has weaker stitching. It's quite a work of engineering hidden in what looks like a normal, classically shaped seat.
I can explain the electrics in more detail if and when you need.
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Feb 15, 2019 21:10:39 GMT
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You can get 2-way relays though. So you'd probably use those to halve the number of relays required. And if you created a switched output after the relay on a rotary knob you could select which motor to send the instruction to. One rocker switch and one relay.
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madmog
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Feb 26, 2019 19:28:00 GMT
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You can get 2-way relays though. So you'd probably use those to halve the number of relays required. And if you created a switched output after the relay on a rotary knob you could select which motor to send the instruction to. One rocker switch and one relay. Do you mean you can get a relay that will reverse positive and negative output depending upon direction of activation current? Or the standard 5 pole relay that switches power from one pole to another? If the latter I don't think it'll work.
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I've done this on a Range Rover that had a faulty seat control box. I put together a relay pack and wired it as follows: It uses two relays per seat motor and should be simple enough to add or delete relay circuits to suit the Mercedes seats depending on how many motors it has. Obviously the colours won't be the same as for a Range Rover. You will also need a seat switch panel to control the relays. Standard automotive relays are suitable for this.
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