edessex
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Cat N write-offedessex
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Dec 24, 2018 17:51:22 GMT
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I'm a bit out of the loop, what's the deal now?
Looking at a car to buy, and it's cat N, no logbook.
Does it need any DVLA checks, re-MoT, or just reapply for logbook?
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Dec 24, 2018 17:57:04 GMT
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Cat N is the old Cat D, so could have minor damage, no chassis or structural damage usually.
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Dec 24, 2018 19:01:06 GMT
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edessex
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Cat N write-offedessex
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Dec 24, 2018 20:57:38 GMT
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It is the replacement for Cat D.
But I can't find anything which states what I have to do, to put it on the road again.
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Dec 24, 2018 21:28:24 GMT
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An MOT and an identity check was all that was needed for the old cat D.
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ChasR
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Cat N write-offChasR
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An MOT stop being required for a CAT D a long time ago. It was a while ago that the rules changed for that.
If it were me, I'd want two things:
-Request the logbook and get the owner to obtain it. Why is it missing? If the insurance company own the car and thus have the logbook, you won't have a leg to stand on later. -HPI it, just to be sure it all aligns. I think you can check this for free by trying to 'sell' a car on Autotrader.
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edessex
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Cat N write-offedessex
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You need to reapply for a logbook after a write off, that's why it's absent.
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ChasR
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Cat N write-offChasR
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Dec 25, 2018 10:01:26 GMT
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I'll be honest, I've had one of my own cars become a CAT-D, and the logbook was always in my ownership.
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edessex
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Cat N write-offedessex
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Dec 25, 2018 14:05:45 GMT
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Was it an unrecorded one then?
I've had a few in the past where the insurers don't put it through.
Otherwise the logbook must be returned to DVLA, as they re-issue them with 'previously written off' or similar in the notes section.
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Dec 27, 2018 14:28:35 GMT
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Cat N is simply no structural damage, nothing is required and nothing shows up on the V5C (only on hpi)
Its NOT a replacement for CAT D as they also could have had structural damage. CAT C&D were based on costs CAT N&S are based on damage (CAT S it will show on the V5C)
You don't need to MOT either unless its expired although some insurers may insist on that if you retain and they keep it on cover. The logbook does need returning unless the insurer insists on it.
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ChasR
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Was it an unrecorded one then? I've had a few in the past where the insurers don't put it through. Otherwise, the logbook must be returned to DVLA, as they re-issue them with 'previously written off' or similar in the notes section. No, my car became a CAT D, and I remember getting the letter through to mark it as a recorded loss. If the insurance company took the car away, then yes, I'd have had to send it to them. I got lucky however, and managed to keep my car at my home address. It's a fair point you raise about the notes however, mine was before that started happening, around 2006. But I'd have thought it wouldn't take long for the current owner etc. to get a replacement logbook. Even with my Carina being registered, I got a logbook within 2 weeks. For clarification, I'd call up the DVLA to confirm. Strange I know, but no logbook always has alarm bells ringing in my head. purplevanman here got caught out big time without one ; without one, you won't be able to tax the car either, as the old green slip will potentially be invalid.
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Cat N is simply no structural damage, nothing is required and nothing shows up on the V5C (only on hpi) Its NOT a replacement for CAT D as they also could have had structural damage. CAT C&D were based on costs CAT N&S are based on damage (CAT S it will show on the V5C) You don't need to MOT either unless its expired although some insurers may insist on that if you retain and they keep it on cover. The logbook does need returning unless the insurer insists on it. Cat N's can have structural damage too and CAT S's may not have structural damage. The idea is they refer to "structural" and "non-structural", which is a better system, but they're not checked/tested rigorously enough for that to be definitive. We have repaired CAT N's with structural damage and Cat S's without any structural damage. Cat D didn't require a new MOT or an Identity check. Only Cat C did. In essence, Cat N&S do replace Cat D&C respectively, but it is a new system and it's an improvement, but still not perfect. Cat D/N don't appear on the V5, but it should state "non-transferrable reg no". There are other reasons why that may be the case, so not necessarily a damaged/repaired vehicle, but it will still always show up on HPI checks.
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Has an aside you can have a repaired Cat N or S inspected and providing it has been repaired correctly and meets the correct repaired criteria the Cat listing / marker on the HPI register can be removed - probably not worth doing on a low value vehicle but certainly worth doing on vehicles of a higher value has a HPI marker will always significantly impact / reduce the value / saleability of the repaired vehicle - link below www.autolign.co.uk/
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